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On 10/20/2018 at 1:57 PM, DestroyMagnet said:

Wow, you guys are doing awsome work. I don't suppose y'all know which flags activate which hidden items in FR/LG? Still, to this day I can't seem to spawn those Heart Scales in Tanoby Ruins or that Big Pearl in Trainer Tower. ?

Hi, for the Big Pearl at Trainer Tower you need to unset flag 1185

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For those who don't know where it is: 

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As for the Heart Scales, i can't find them... in every island of the Tanoby Ruins the Itemfinder didn't find anything, but they should be there ?

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I have the same problem with the Heart Scales. They aren't there, and I'm sure I didn't take them, as I didn't even know they supposedly existed.

edit: Apparently someone documented the internal IDs for the hidden items:
https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=399026


If the event flags also ascend in a similar style, knowing the before or after event flag IDs of the items in the same order,
would have been enough XD

edit2:
Nest Ball in Rocket Warehouse. When obtained, 1068 -> Set
If the flags are sequential, 1064 to 1067 are the tanoby heart scales.
Gonna test it.
 

edit3: HAHAHAHAHA
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I was right. Unsetting those four flags allowed all 4 heart scales to appear in the game.

Final edit (Probably):
Based on the table and the numerical difference, I came up with a new table that attempts to match the flag ID with the internal ID.
Note that it is likely not accurate, as the Big Pearl ID doesn't match @cicciochiave previously reported id.
However, it's a good indicator for flag values in the range, as it clearly worked for the 4 heart scales.

 

Table for various hidden items and event flag ID.

Table is in the spoiler below:

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Advanced Map ID (Internal Rom IDs basically)
Item ID | Item | Location | Map # (For Use with A-Map)
Event Flag ID (as recognized by PKHeX)
00 - Potion - Viridian Forest - (1.0) 1000
01 - Antidote - Viridian Forest - (1.0) 1001
02 - Moon Stone - Mt. Moon Floor 3 - (1.3) 1002
03 - Ether - Mt. Moon Floor 3 - (1.3) 1003
04 - Elixir - Route 25 OW - (3.44) 1004
05 - Ether - Route 25 OW - (3.44) 1005
06 - Ether - Route 9 - (3.27) 1006
07 - N/A - N/A - N/A 1007
08 - Hyper Potion - S.S Anne Inside - (1.8) 1008
09 - Super Potion - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1009
0A - Max Ether - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1010
0B - PP Up - Rocket's Hideout Basement Floor 1 - (1.42) 1011
0C - Nugget - Rocket's Hideout Basement Floor 3 - (1.44) 1012
0D - Nest Ball - Rocket's Hideout Basement Floor 4 - (1.45) 1013
0E - Big Mushroom - Pokémon Tower Floor 5 - (1.92) 1014
0F - PP Up - Route 13 - (3.31) 1015
10 - N/A - N/A - N/A 1016
11 - Rare Candy - Route 17 - (3.35) 1017
12 - Full Restore - Route 17 - (3.35) 1018
13 - PP Up - Route 17 - (3.35) 1019
14 - Max Revive - Route 17 - (3.35) 1020
15 - Max Elixir - Route 17 - (3.35) 1021
16 - Leaf Stone - Safari Zone Area 1 - (1.63) 1022
17 - Revive - Safari Zone Area 4 - (1.66) 1023
18 - Elixir - Silph Co. Floor 5 - (1.51) 1024
19 - Max Potion - Silph Co. Floor 9 - (1.55) 1025
1A - Nugget - Copycat's Room (14.1) 1026
1B - Max Elixir - Power Plant - (1.95) 1027
1C - Thunder Stone - Power Plant - (1.95) 1028
1D - Nugget - Seafoam Islands Floor 4 - (1.86) 1029
1E - Water Stone - Seafoam Islands Floor 5 - (1.87) 1030
1F - Moon Stone - Pokémon Mansion Floor 1 - (1.59) 1031
20 - Rare Candy - Pokémon Mansion Floor 3 - (1.61) 1032
21 - Elixir - Pokémon Mansion Floor 4 - (1.62) 1033
22 - Full Restore - Route 23 - (3.42) 1034
23 - Ultra Ball - Route 23 - (3.42) 1035
24 - Max Ether - Route 23 - (3.42) 1036
25 - Ultra Ball - Victory Road Floor 1 - (1.39) 1037
26 - Full Restore - Victory Road Floor 1 - (1.39) 1038
27 - Ultra Ball - Cerulean Cave Floor 1 - (1.72) 1039
28 - N/A - N/A - N/A 1040
29 - Escape Rope - Route 11 OW - (3.29) 1041
2A - Hyper Potion - Route 12 OW - (3.30) 1042
2B - N/A - N/A - N/A 1043
2C - N/A - N/A - N/A 1044
2D - N/A - N/A - N/A 1045
2E - N/A - N/A - N/A 1046
2F - PP Up - Celadon City OW (3.6) 1047
30 - Max Ether - Vermilion City OW (3.5) 1048
31 - Rare Candy - Cerulean City OW (3.3) 1049
32 - Great Ball - Route 4 OW - (3.22) 1050
33 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1051
34 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1052
35 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1053
36 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1054
37 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1055
38 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1056
39 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1057
3A - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1058
3B - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1059
3C - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1060
3D - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1061
3E - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1062
3F - Cheri Berry - Sevault Canyon OW - (3.64) 1063
40 - Heart Scale - Tanoby Ruins - (3.65) 1064
41 - Heart Scale - Tanoby Ruins - (3.65) 1065
42 - Heart Scale - Tanoby Ruins - (3.65) 1066
43 - Heart Scale - Tanoby Ruins - (3.65) 1067
44 - Nest Ball - Rocket Warehouse - (1.114) 1068
45 - Net Ball - Rocket Warehouse - (1.114) 1069
46 - Potion - Underground Path - (1.31) 1070
47 - Antidote - Underground Path - (1.31) 1071
48 - Paralyze Heal - Underground Path - (1.31) 1072
49 - Awakening - Underground Path - (1.31) 1073
4A - Burn Heal - Underground Path - (1.31) 1074
4B - Ice Heal - Underground Path - (1.31) 1075
4C - Ether - Underground Path - (1.31) 1076
4D - Potion - Underground Path - (1.34) 1077
4E - Antidote - Underground Path - (1.34) 1078
4F - Paralyze Heal - Underground Path - (1.34) 1079
50 - Awakening - Underground Path - (1.34) 1080
51 - Burn Heal - Underground Path - (1.34) 1081
52 - Ice Heal - Underground Path - (1.34) 1082
53 - Ether - Underground Path - (1.34) 1083
54 - Tiny Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1084
55 - Tiny Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1085
56 - Tiny Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1086
57 - Big Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1087
58 - Big Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1088
59 - Big Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1089
5A - Razz Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1090
5B - Bluk Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1091
5C - Nanab Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1092
5D - Wepear Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1093
5E - Oran Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1094
5F - Cheri Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1095
60 - Chesto Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1096
61 - Pecha Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1097
62 - Rawst Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1098
63 - Aspear Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1099
64 - Persim Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1100
65 - Pinap Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1101
66 - Lum Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1102
67 - Stardust - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1103
68 - Stardust - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1104
69 - Pearl - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1105
6A - Pearl - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1106
6B - Ultra Ball - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1107
6C - Ultra Ball - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1108
6D - Star Piece - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1109
6E - Big Pearl - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1110
6F - Rare Candy - Cape Brink OW - (3.47) 1111
70 - Pokeball - Pewter City OW (3.2) 1112
71 - Oran Berry - Route 3 - (3.21) 1113
72 - Persim Berry - Route 4 OW - (3.22) 1114
73 - Pecha Berry - Route 24 - (3.43) 1115
74 - Oran Berry - Route 25 OW - (3.44) 1116
75 - Bluk Berry - Route 25 OW - (3.44) 1117
76 - Sitrus Bery - Route 6 OW - (3.24) 1118
77 - Rare Candy - Route 6 OW - (3.24) 1119
78 - Pecha Berry - S.S Anne Outside - (1.10) 1120
79 - Cheri Berry - S.S Anne Outside - (1.10) 1121
7A - Chesto Berry - S.S Anne Outside - (1.10) 1122
7B - Rare Candy - Route 9 - (3.27) 1123
7C - N/A - N/A - N/A  1124
7D - Persim Berry - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1125
7E - Cheri Berry - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1126
7F - Rawst Berry - Route 8 OW - (3.26) 1127
80 - Lum Berry - Route 8 OW - (3.26) 1128
81 - Leppa Berry - Route 8 OW - (3.26) 1129
82 - Rare Candy - Route 12 OW - (3.30) 1130
83 - Leftovers - Route 12 OW - (3.30) 1131
84 - Leftovers - Route 16 OW - (3.34) 1132
85 - Max Revive - Fuchsia City OW - (3.7) 1133
86 - Net Ball - Rocket's Hideout Basement Floor 4 - (1.45) 1134
87 - Ultra Ball - Silph Co. Floor 2 - (1.48) 1135
88 - Protein - Silph Co. Floor 3 - (1.49) 1136
89 - Iron - Silph Co. Floor 4 - (1.50) 1137
8A - PP Up - Silph Co. Floor 5 - (1.51) 1138
8B - Carbos - Silph Co. Floor 6 - (1.52) 1139
8C - Zinc - Silph Co. Floor 7 - (1.53) 1140
8D - Nugget - Silph Co. Floor 8 - (1.54) 1141
8E - Calcium - Silph Co. Floor 9 - (1.55) 1142
8F - HP Up - Silph Co. Floor 10 - (1.56) 1143
90 - Revive - Silph Co. Floor 11 - (1.57) 1144
91 - Lum Berry - Route 23 - (3.42) 1145
92 - Sitrus Berry - Route 23 - (3.42) 1146
93 - Aspear Berry - Route 23 - (3.42) 1147
94 - Leppa Berry - Route 23 - (3.42) 1148
95 - Zinc - Route 14 - (3.32) 1149
96 - Chesto Berry - Route 9 - (3.27) 1150
97 - Nanab Berry - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1151
98 - Wepear Berry - Route 7 OW (3.25) 1152
99 - Star Dust - Route 20 - (3.38) 1153
9A - Pearl - Route 21 (OW 1 out of 2) - (3.39) 1154
9B - Max Elixir - Route 23 - (3.42) 1155
9C - Razz Berry - Route 4 OW - (3.22) 1156
9D - Pinap Berry - Route 14 - (3.32) 1157
9E - Fire Stone - Mt. Ember OW Entrance - (1.97) 1158
9F - Soothe Bell - Pokémon Tower Floor 7 - (1.94) 1159
A0 - Sacred Ash - Navel Rock Roof - (2.37) 1160
A1 - PP Max - Cape Brink OW - (3.47) 1161
A2 - Ultra Ball - Mt. Ember OW Entrance - (1.97) 1162
A3 - Nugget - Three Isle Path - (2.34) 1163
A4 - PP Up - Three Island - (3.14) 1164
A5 - Max Repel - Bond Bridge - (3.48) 1165
A6 - Pearl - Bond Bridge - (3.48) 1166
A7 - Stardust - Bond Bridge - (3.48) 1167
A8 - Pearl - Four Island - (3.15) 1168
A9 - Ultra Ball - Four Island - (3.15) 1169
AA - Big Pearl - Memorial Pillar - (3.57) 1170
AB - Razz Berry - Memorial Pillar - (3.57) 1171
AC - Sitrus Berry - Memorial Pillar - (3.57) 1172
AD - Bluk Berry - Memorial Pillar - (3.57) 1173
AE - Nest Ball - Resort Gorgeous OW - (3.54) 1174
AF - Stardust - Resort Gorgeous OW - (3.54) 1175
B0 - Star Piece - Resort Gorgeous OW - (3.54) 1176
B1 - Stardust - Resort Gorgeous OW - (3.54) 1177
B2 - Star Piece - Outcast Island - (3.58) 1178
B3 - Net Ball - Outcast Island - (3.58) 1179
B4 - Ultra Ball - Green Path - (3.59) 1180
B5 - Aspear Berry - Water Path OW - (3.60) 1181
B6 - Oran Berry - Water Path OW - (3.60) 1182
B7 - Pinap Berry - Water Path OW - (3.60) 1183
B8 - Leppa Berry - Six Island - (3.18) 1184
B9 - Big Pearl - Trainer Tower OW - (3.62) 1185
BA - Pearl - Trainer Tower OW - (3.62) 1186
BB - Nanab Berry - Trainer Tower OW - (3.62) 1187
BC - Rawst Berry - Canyon Entrance - (3.63) 1188
BD - Macho Brace - Viridian City's Gym - (5.1) 1189
BE - Lava Cookie - S.S Anne Ship Dock - (1.4) 1190

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Kaphotics said:

That's cool!

Also, @cicciochiave was correct and the pearl is at 1185, as opposed to 1186 in my table.

I'm suspecting everything got shifted after the N/A above. will be looking at and fixing my table.

edit: Yup, the Persim Berry on Route 10 is 1125 instead of 1126, meaning the skipped the NA.
Modified my table to reflect that information.

edit again: Oh boy, viridian forest potion is 1000, meaning somewhere in the list it decided to jump up by another flag..

I don't know how and I don't know where, it appears I made another mistake.
Table fixed, with the correct numbers, starting from the nice round number :)

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2 minutes ago, cicciochiave said:

Cool stuff as always, but... I still don't understand why I and even @theSLAYER weren't able to find them. ?

PS:

It seems like FR/LG are less documented then R/S/E as for the flags and this is the reason why i'm loving this thread... it is growing day by day. ?

I've read that events such events are either:
1. Tied to talking to NPCs (like how the legendaries only roam after you talk to Celio to complete Sapphire delivery)
2. They randomly respawn after a certain number of steps.

So we either didn't walk enough steps for it to respawn, or we didn't talk to an important character.

In any case, the page @Kaphotics linked us pretty much has RSE items and hidden items,
and we've now cracked all hidden items of FRLG.

(Sadly, that github doesn't contained a flags disassembly for FRLG :( )

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On October 29, 2018 at 6:31 AM, cicciochiave said:

Hi, for the Big Pearl at Trainer Tower you need to unset flag 1185

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For those who don't know where it is: 

2eo8sj6.png

As for the Heart Scales, i can't find them... in every island of the Tanoby Ruins the Itemfinder didn't find anything, but they should be there ?

Lol I don't know how and why but I was able to get the Trainer Tower Big Pearl after either I received the 300 hatch sticker or completed the National Dex, I can't be too sure what happened but I rechecked the area after I completed both achievements. I was also able to make the Memorial Pillar Big Pearl finally appear after I caught my legendary roamer (Suicune) at Route 2. I feel super sure about this because I kept rechecking the Memorial Pillar once per day and once I caught Suicune I rechecked the area on a whim and it finally spawned. It seems that certain hidden items only start to appear after doing particular things? 🤔

Edit: I forgot to mention that that I was also missing the Memorial Pillar Big Pearl until VERY recently.

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On October 29, 2018 at 8:06 PM, theSLAYER said:

I have the same problem with the Heart Scales. They aren't there, and I'm sure I didn't take them, as I didn't even know they supposedly existed.

edit: Apparently someone documented the internal IDs for the hidden items:
https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=399026


If the event flags also ascend in a similar style, knowing the before or after event flag IDs of the items in the same order,
would have been enough XD

edit2:
Nest Ball in Rocket Warehouse. When obtained, 1068 -> Set
If the flags are sequential, 1064 to 1067 are the tanoby heart scales.
Gonna test it.
 

edit3: HAHAHAHAHA
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I was right. Unsetting those four flags allowed all 4 heart scales to appear in the game.

Final edit (Probably):
Based on the table and the numerical difference, I came up with a new table that attempts to match the flag ID with the internal ID.
Note that it is likely not accurate, as the Big Pearl ID doesn't match @cicciochiave previously reported id.
However, it's a good indicator for flag values in the range, as it clearly worked for the 4 heart scales.

 

Table for various hidden items and event flag ID.

Table is in the spoiler below:

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Advanced Map ID (Internal Rom IDs basically)
Item ID | Item | Location | Map # (For Use with A-Map)
Event Flag ID (as recognized by PKHeX)
00 - Potion - Viridian Forest - (1.0) 1000
01 - Antidote - Viridian Forest - (1.0) 1001
02 - Moon Stone - Mt. Moon Floor 3 - (1.3) 1002
03 - Ether - Mt. Moon Floor 3 - (1.3) 1003
04 - Elixir - Route 25 OW - (3.44) 1004
05 - Ether - Route 25 OW - (3.44) 1005
06 - Ether - Route 9 - (3.27) 1006
07 - N/A - N/A - N/A 1007
08 - Hyper Potion - S.S Anne Inside - (1.8) 1008
09 - Super Potion - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1009
0A - Max Ether - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1010
0B - PP Up - Rocket's Hideout Basement Floor 1 - (1.42) 1011
0C - Nugget - Rocket's Hideout Basement Floor 3 - (1.44) 1012
0D - Nest Ball - Rocket's Hideout Basement Floor 4 - (1.45) 1013
0E - Big Mushroom - Pokémon Tower Floor 5 - (1.92) 1014
0F - PP Up - Route 13 - (3.31) 1015
10 - N/A - N/A - N/A 1016
11 - Rare Candy - Route 17 - (3.35) 1017
12 - Full Restore - Route 17 - (3.35) 1018
13 - PP Up - Route 17 - (3.35) 1019
14 - Max Revive - Route 17 - (3.35) 1020
15 - Max Elixir - Route 17 - (3.35) 1021
16 - Leaf Stone - Safari Zone Area 1 - (1.63) 1022
17 - Revive - Safari Zone Area 4 - (1.66) 1023
18 - Elixir - Silph Co. Floor 5 - (1.51) 1024
19 - Max Potion - Silph Co. Floor 9 - (1.55) 1025
1A - Nugget - Copycat's Room (14.1) 1026
1B - Max Elixir - Power Plant - (1.95) 1027
1C - Thunder Stone - Power Plant - (1.95) 1028
1D - Nugget - Seafoam Islands Floor 4 - (1.86) 1029
1E - Water Stone - Seafoam Islands Floor 5 - (1.87) 1030
1F - Moon Stone - Pokémon Mansion Floor 1 - (1.59) 1031
20 - Rare Candy - Pokémon Mansion Floor 3 - (1.61) 1032
21 - Elixir - Pokémon Mansion Floor 4 - (1.62) 1033
22 - Full Restore - Route 23 - (3.42) 1034
23 - Ultra Ball - Route 23 - (3.42) 1035
24 - Max Ether - Route 23 - (3.42) 1036
25 - Ultra Ball - Victory Road Floor 1 - (1.39) 1037
26 - Full Restore - Victory Road Floor 1 - (1.39) 1038
27 - Ultra Ball - Cerulean Cave Floor 1 - (1.72) 1039
28 - N/A - N/A - N/A 1040
29 - Escape Rope - Route 11 OW - (3.29) 1041
2A - Hyper Potion - Route 12 OW - (3.30) 1042
2B - N/A - N/A - N/A 1043
2C - N/A - N/A - N/A 1044
2D - N/A - N/A - N/A 1045
2E - N/A - N/A - N/A 1046
2F - PP Up - Celadon City OW (3.6) 1047
30 - Max Ether - Vermilion City OW (3.5) 1048
31 - Rare Candy - Cerulean City OW (3.3) 1049
32 - Great Ball - Route 4 OW - (3.22) 1050
33 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1051
34 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1052
35 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1053
36 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1054
37 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1055
38 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1056
39 - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1057
3A - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1058
3B - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1059
3C - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1060
3D - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1061
3E - Item 0000 (Coins) - Celadon Game Corner (10.14) 1062
3F - Cheri Berry - Sevault Canyon OW - (3.64) 1063
40 - Heart Scale - Tanoby Ruins - (3.65) 1064
41 - Heart Scale - Tanoby Ruins - (3.65) 1065
42 - Heart Scale - Tanoby Ruins - (3.65) 1066
43 - Heart Scale - Tanoby Ruins - (3.65) 1067
44 - Nest Ball - Rocket Warehouse - (1.114) 1068
45 - Net Ball - Rocket Warehouse - (1.114) 1069
46 - Potion - Underground Path - (1.31) 1070
47 - Antidote - Underground Path - (1.31) 1071
48 - Paralyze Heal - Underground Path - (1.31) 1072
49 - Awakening - Underground Path - (1.31) 1073
4A - Burn Heal - Underground Path - (1.31) 1074
4B - Ice Heal - Underground Path - (1.31) 1075
4C - Ether - Underground Path - (1.31) 1076
4D - Potion - Underground Path - (1.34) 1077
4E - Antidote - Underground Path - (1.34) 1078
4F - Paralyze Heal - Underground Path - (1.34) 1079
50 - Awakening - Underground Path - (1.34) 1080
51 - Burn Heal - Underground Path - (1.34) 1081
52 - Ice Heal - Underground Path - (1.34) 1082
53 - Ether - Underground Path - (1.34) 1083
54 - Tiny Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1084
55 - Tiny Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1085
56 - Tiny Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1086
57 - Big Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1087
58 - Big Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1088
59 - Big Mushroom - Mt. Moon Floor 2 - (1.2) 1089
5A - Razz Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1090
5B - Bluk Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1091
5C - Nanab Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1092
5D - Wepear Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1093
5E - Oran Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1094
5F - Cheri Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1095
60 - Chesto Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1096
61 - Pecha Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1097
62 - Rawst Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1098
63 - Aspear Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1099
64 - Persim Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1100
65 - Pinap Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1101
66 - Lum Berry - Berry Forest - (1.109) 1102
67 - Stardust - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1103
68 - Stardust - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1104
69 - Pearl - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1105
6A - Pearl - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1106
6B - Ultra Ball - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1107
6C - Ultra Ball - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1108
6D - Star Piece - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1109
6E - Big Pearl - Treasure Island - (3.46) 1110
6F - Rare Candy - Cape Brink OW - (3.47) 1111
70 - Pokeball - Pewter City OW (3.2) 1112
71 - Oran Berry - Route 3 - (3.21) 1113
72 - Persim Berry - Route 4 OW - (3.22) 1114
73 - Pecha Berry - Route 24 - (3.43) 1115
74 - Oran Berry - Route 25 OW - (3.44) 1116
75 - Bluk Berry - Route 25 OW - (3.44) 1117
76 - Sitrus Bery - Route 6 OW - (3.24) 1118
77 - Rare Candy - Route 6 OW - (3.24) 1119
78 - Pecha Berry - S.S Anne Outside - (1.10) 1120
79 - Cheri Berry - S.S Anne Outside - (1.10) 1121
7A - Chesto Berry - S.S Anne Outside - (1.10) 1122
7B - Rare Candy - Route 9 - (3.27) 1123
7C - N/A - N/A - N/A  1124
7D - Persim Berry - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1125
7E - Cheri Berry - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1126
7F - Rawst Berry - Route 8 OW - (3.26) 1127
80 - Lum Berry - Route 8 OW - (3.26) 1128
81 - Leppa Berry - Route 8 OW - (3.26) 1129
82 - Rare Candy - Route 12 OW - (3.30) 1130
83 - Leftovers - Route 12 OW - (3.30) 1131
84 - Leftovers - Route 16 OW - (3.34) 1132
85 - Max Revive - Fuchsia City OW - (3.7) 1133
86 - Net Ball - Rocket's Hideout Basement Floor 4 - (1.45) 1134
87 - Ultra Ball - Silph Co. Floor 2 - (1.48) 1135
88 - Protein - Silph Co. Floor 3 - (1.49) 1136
89 - Iron - Silph Co. Floor 4 - (1.50) 1137
8A - PP Up - Silph Co. Floor 5 - (1.51) 1138
8B - Carbos - Silph Co. Floor 6 - (1.52) 1139
8C - Zinc - Silph Co. Floor 7 - (1.53) 1140
8D - Nugget - Silph Co. Floor 8 - (1.54) 1141
8E - Calcium - Silph Co. Floor 9 - (1.55) 1142
8F - HP Up - Silph Co. Floor 10 - (1.56) 1143
90 - Revive - Silph Co. Floor 11 - (1.57) 1144
91 - Lum Berry - Route 23 - (3.42) 1145
92 - Sitrus Berry - Route 23 - (3.42) 1146
93 - Aspear Berry - Route 23 - (3.42) 1147
94 - Leppa Berry - Route 23 - (3.42) 1148
95 - Zinc - Route 14 - (3.32) 1149
96 - Chesto Berry - Route 9 - (3.27) 1150
97 - Nanab Berry - Route 10 OW - (3.28) 1151
98 - Wepear Berry - Route 7 OW (3.25) 1152
99 - Star Dust - Route 20 - (3.38) 1153
9A - Pearl - Route 21 (OW 1 out of 2) - (3.39) 1154
9B - Max Elixir - Route 23 - (3.42) 1155
9C - Razz Berry - Route 4 OW - (3.22) 1156
9D - Pinap Berry - Route 14 - (3.32) 1157
9E - Fire Stone - Mt. Ember OW Entrance - (1.97) 1158
9F - Soothe Bell - Pokémon Tower Floor 7 - (1.94) 1159
A0 - Sacred Ash - Navel Rock Roof - (2.37) 1160
A1 - PP Max - Cape Brink OW - (3.47) 1161
A2 - Ultra Ball - Mt. Ember OW Entrance - (1.97) 1162
A3 - Nugget - Three Isle Path - (2.34) 1163
A4 - PP Up - Three Island - (3.14) 1164
A5 - Max Repel - Bond Bridge - (3.48) 1165
A6 - Pearl - Bond Bridge - (3.48) 1166
A7 - Stardust - Bond Bridge - (3.48) 1167
A8 - Pearl - Four Island - (3.15) 1168
A9 - Ultra Ball - Four Island - (3.15) 1169
AA - Big Pearl - Memorial Pillar - (3.57) 1170
AB - Razz Berry - Memorial Pillar - (3.57) 1171
AC - Sitrus Berry - Memorial Pillar - (3.57) 1172
AD - Bluk Berry - Memorial Pillar - (3.57) 1173
AE - Nest Ball - Resort Gorgeous OW - (3.54) 1174
AF - Stardust - Resort Gorgeous OW - (3.54) 1175
B0 - Star Piece - Resort Gorgeous OW - (3.54) 1176
B1 - Stardust - Resort Gorgeous OW - (3.54) 1177
B2 - Star Piece - Outcast Island - (3.58) 1178
B3 - Net Ball - Outcast Island - (3.58) 1179
B4 - Ultra Ball - Green Path - (3.59) 1180
B5 - Aspear Berry - Water Path OW - (3.60) 1181
B6 - Oran Berry - Water Path OW - (3.60) 1182
B7 - Pinap Berry - Water Path OW - (3.60) 1183
B8 - Leppa Berry - Six Island - (3.18) 1184
B9 - Big Pearl - Trainer Tower OW - (3.62) 1185
BA - Pearl - Trainer Tower OW - (3.62) 1186
BB - Nanab Berry - Trainer Tower OW - (3.62) 1187
BC - Rawst Berry - Canyon Entrance - (3.63) 1188
BD - Macho Brace - Viridian City's Gym - (5.1) 1189
BE - Lava Cookie - S.S Anne Ship Dock - (1.4) 1190

 

 

I haven't gotten around to using PKHex to unset those Heart Scales yet. I'm still wondering as to what specific in-game event would naturally trigger those flags. I've never used any of those one-time tutors. Maybe the Heart Scale flags are tied to them? No idea how, but this fellow here was able to find the Heart Scales: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IekFzPfWg. Maybe it's because they used those move tutors? My oh my, what a hassle! 😅

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4 minutes ago, DestroyMagnet said:

I haven't gotten around to using PKHex to unset those Heart Scales yet. I'm still wondering as to what specific in-game event would naturally trigger those flags. I've never used any of those one-time tutors. Maybe the Heart Scale flags are tied to them? No idea how, but this fellow here was able to find the Heart Scales: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IekFzPfWg. Maybe it's because they used those move tutors? My oh my, what a hassle! 😅

You could give that a try XD

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On October 29, 2018 at 6:31 AM, cicciochiave said:

Hi, for the Big Pearl at Trainer Tower you need to unset flag 1185

  Reveal hidden contents

For those who don't know where it is: 

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As for the Heart Scales, i can't find them... in every island of the Tanoby Ruins the Itemfinder didn't find anything, but they should be there ?

 

1 hour ago, theSLAYER said:

You could give that a try XD

Yessssssssss. I can 100% confirm that using up ALL the one-time move tutors will naturally spawn the Heart Scales. Although, it was probably only triggered by using up a particular move tutor. I took no chances and did them all just to cover all bases. I FINALLY found all the Leaf Green hidden items, I can finally rest easy 😅.

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Just now, DestroyMagnet said:

 

Yessssssssss. I can 100% confirm that using up ALL the one-time move tutors will naturally spawn the Heart Scales. Although, it was probably only triggered by using up a particular move tutor. I took no chances and did them all just to cover all bases. I FINALLY found all the Leaf Green hidden items, I can finally rest easy 😅.

At least we know is it tied to a move tutor, now can pinpoint which one.
Also, if you made a save backup per move tutor, could just check at which point the flag was triggered (on PKHeX)

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7 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

At least we know is it tied to a move tutor, now can pinpoint which one.
Also, if you made a save backup per move tutor, could just check at which point the flag was triggered (on PKHeX)

Sorry, I didn't make any backups per tutor. I just wanted to get it over with because it was a hassle tracking them all down one by one. I saved immediately after I got all 4 because I was so glad I found everything and didn't wanna risk losing my progress. Thinking back, the developers probably intended for the Heart Scales to ONLY spawn after using up all (or some) in-game move tutors as some form of RSE-related irony. At least the mystery of the hidden Heart Scales has been solved lol. 

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So I've been recently playing though the entire game picking every single Item and I've found some oddities when it comes on what triggers what.
So first, after the league (the first one, not the rematch), I followed bulbapedia to pick everything aviable in every single area before delivering the sapphire:
Mt Moon mushrooms unaviable
One Island Treasure Beach: I could get only ultraballs before clearing the league, after that could get the star piece and big pearl aswell (still could not get the other items listed).
Third Island Berry Forest, looks like you can get half of the berries before the hypno thing, and the other half later.
Five Island Resort Gorgeous, you can get the nest ball and the star piece after Slephy, not the stardust.

And here is where the oddities come, I couldnt get this items before delivering the sapphire:
Route 21 big pearl
Memorial Pillar big pearl
Green Path ultraball
Resourt Gorgeous stardust x2
Outcast Land ultraball and star piece
Trainer Tower pearl and big pearl
And lastly the x4 heart scales in the Tanoby Chambers

So I saved before the sapphire, delivered it and proceed to try get the items above.
The mushrooms where still unaviable, and could get all the items above but the memorial pillar big pearl, trainer tower big pearl and the x4 heartscales. But then, I noticed I forgot to get the underground paths items, so I went there and tried to pick them, I found none but an ather in the route 5-6 one ( btw underground path items are swapped in bulbapedia, so the route 5-6 items are the 7-8 ones). 
So I said "well, I will softreset, pick it, and see what happens". So I did,  I SR'd, left one island before delivering the sapphire and whent to the underground path to pick up the ether.
It wasn't there. Instead, there were all the other items but the ether (Ice heal, antidote, burn heal, awakening, paralyz heal and potion). So WTF.
Picked them, whent to deliver the sapphire, saved again. And when tried to pick the items listed again...
I COULDN'T FOUND MOST OF THEM,
Route 21 pearl, green path ultraball, outcast land ultraball and star piece and trainer tower pearl that I could get the first time, now weren't there, BUT, now I could get the Memorial Pillar big pearl.

I know this thread looks kinda dead, but just in case someone keeps with the research, hope this helps.

 

Additionally, want to say that in another save I had prior to this one, I could get everything (but I did it after finishing everything but getting mewtwo), noticed tho I only could get the heartscales aswell after getting mewtwo. But in that save I didn't use a single move tutor, like someone else said here.

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