BloodBird Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) I started playing the game Japanese emerald and picked Treecko as starting Pokemon. and I opened the save file in PKHeX to check the IV, but PKHeX says Treecko is illegal. even I did not make any edits. I am using PKHeX 20180128 version and use the Korean language. Here I attach Treecko pkm file, save file, and snapshot of when I opened the save file. Oh, my Treecko defeated Zigzagoon and Poochyena while moving from Littleroot town to Oldale Town. That's why experience and effort value. 252 - キモリ - 63A0E6CC02EB.pk3 Pocket Monsters - Emerald (Japan).sav Edited February 27, 2018 by BloodBird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbreon86 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) This is interesting. Typically Gen 3 starters are generated using method 1, but this was generated using method 4. Invalid: Encounter Type PID mismatch. === Valid Move 1: Learned by Level-up. Valid Move 2: Learned by Level-up. Valid Move 3: Empty Move. Valid Move 4: Empty Move. Valid: Valid gift/static encounter. Valid: Nickname matches species name. Valid: Current level is not below met level. Valid: All ribbons accounted for. Valid: Ability matches ability number. Valid: Correct ball for encounter type. Valid: Gender matches PID. Valid: Nature matches PID. === Encounter Type: Static Encounter (Treecko) Location: Route 101 Origin Seed: 68FB931F PID Type: Method_4 It's a legit PID/IV combo: My guess is that PKHex is marking it illegal due to the method 4 PID/IV generation. If you change it to method 1 (changing the IVs, keeping PID the same, it's marked legal (see attached file). I haven't got a Japanese game to test this further I'm afraid. 252 - キモリ - 5AA4E6CC02EB.pk3 Edited February 27, 2018 by gclarke86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBird Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 @gclarke86 What is the utility program for that screenshot? I do not think it's PKHeX, can you let me know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPUser2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, BloodBird said: @gclarke86 What is the utility program for that screenshot? I do not think it's PKHeX, can you let me know? RNG Reporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBird Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, PPUser2018 said: RNG Reporter Thank you. Talking about Treecko, I did not have any illusions. That is a definite natural. This is my guess. If there is no problem with PKHeX, this is a bug of Japanese version emerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 @BloodBird I'll like to know some details. You playing on an emulator? on NDS? on gba? gba micro? using flashcart? Did anything different from standard gameplay? @Sabresite are there known cases of this happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBird Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, theSLAYER said: @BloodBird I'll like to know some details. You playing on an emulator? on NDS? on gba? gba micro? using flashcart? Did anything different from standard gameplay? @Sabresite are there known cases of this happening? I played through the emulator VBA 1.7.2. However, there is no difference from standard game play. I don't have any cheat list, played rom is a clean Japanese version emerald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, BloodBird said: I played through the emulator VBA 1.7.2. However, there is no difference from standard game play. I don't have any cheat list, played rom is a clean Japanese version emerald. This was explained to me some time back "The reason for Method 3 and 4 is because of vBlank.vBlank is an async function that executes every 60th visual frame to render new graphics and is responsible for animation. So fishing or caves, where there is screen movement has a higher vBlank rate. There is at least 1, sometimes 2 vBlanks depending on how many PIDs roll. And where the vBlanks start depends on the circumstance." I'm wondering if playing on an emulator (or maybe the settings) affected the vblank. Or maybe it is because Prof Birch was being chased and the PID roll hit that particular frame. Maybe you rotated many times in starter selection? As mentioned above, Method 4 may happen for fishing or cave encounters, which this is neither of those. (and starters are supposed to be Method 1, since its not caught, but a gift) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBird Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, theSLAYER said: This was explained to me some time back "The reason for Method 3 and 4 is because of vBlank.vBlank is an async function that executes every 60th visual frame to render new graphics and is responsible for animation. So fishing or caves, where there is screen movement has a higher vBlank rate. There is at least 1, sometimes 2 vBlanks depending on how many PIDs roll. And where the vBlanks start depends on the circumstance." I'm wondering if playing on an emulator (or maybe the settings) affected the vblank. Or maybe it is because Prof Birch was being chased and the PID roll hit that particular frame. Maybe you rotated many times in starter selection? As mentioned above, Method 4 may happen for fishing or cave encounters, which this is neither of those. (and starters are supposed to be Method 1, since its not caught, but a gift) I can not answer your question because I do not have such professional knowledge. But here, I attach my VBA configuration file for your research. vba.ini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, BloodBird said: I can not answer your question because I do not have such professional knowledge. But here, I attach my VBA configuration file for your research. vba.ini In the mean time, did you do anything special. Or did you just, go to bag, immediately chose Treecko? >< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBird Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, theSLAYER said: In the mean time, did you do anything special. Or did you just, go to bag, immediately chose Treecko? >< I did not do anything special. I passed the bag once, and doctor made me blame. This event is so funny that I enjoy watching it. And I go to the bag, choice the Treecko, but I did not choose it "immediately". I took a little time to think. But I do not think it's something special. I'm sorry, but I have to sleep now and I can not answer any more today. I would be very happy if my answer was helpful. Edited February 28, 2018 by BloodBird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, BloodBird said: I did not do anything special. I passed the bag once, and doctor made me blame. This event is so funny that I enjoy watching it. And I go to the bag, choice the Treecko, but I did not choose it "immediately". I took a little time to think. But I do not think it's something special. I'm sorry, but I have to sleep now and I can not answer any more today. I would be very happy if my answer was helpful. It is okay, that lets us know what you did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaphotics Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Normal cartridges always yield static encounters with Method 1. Emulators do not faithfully emulate, resulting in atypical PID methods. Since these PIDIVs are not possible on regular cartridges, the pkm is not legal. Just because you emulate the game doesn't mean you're emulating it 100% accurately. PKHeX is working as intended. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabresite Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 hours ago, theSLAYER said: @BloodBird I'll like to know some details. You playing on an emulator? on NDS? on gba? gba micro? using flashcart? Did anything different from standard gameplay? @Sabresite are there known cases of this happening? Yes it is technically possible but not sure how likely. I have seen it once before as a method 2 but not 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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