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2 minutes ago, ajxpk said:

I have them now.

Aren't those Rabby pokes? How did you get them?

Anyway, its the same one floating around commonly in Neoseeker. Except its the G3 version. I never even bothered to see it, its probably in my email somewhere but I doubt its legal/legit.

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I cracked the PCNYabcd algorithm! It uses a variation of BACD algorithm with unrestricted seeds. PIDH is xor'd against PIDL, TID, and SID. This algorithm makes antishiny detection easier (PIDH is

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I traded with @DannyB01. Don't worry they're in good hands. :)

I have the Gen 4 files too, it's really hard to tell...
Anyway, when you find the Stamp Pokemon in Gen 3 feel free to send them to me.
I know ways to determine if they're legit or not. By checking Trash Bytes ect. 

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2 minutes ago, ajxpk said:

I traded with @DannyB01. Don't worry it's in good hands. :)

Heh dumb question from me I guess, he's really the only other one aside from me.. (Even though he's retired) Glad that they are with you though. You seen those Taiwan Jirachi Pictures? Amazing huh.

I don't mind sending that, I simply don't like it because there isn't actually a proper source..but would be good to hear what you know though.

 

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Yeah!
I'm actually damn proud to have traded with him. 
I had to be really patient since he's retired as you know. 
He has not shown me the pictures tho', since he was damn busy so didn't even mentioned it. 
Interested to see it actually... 

Great! I'm looking forward to check them.

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1 minute ago, ajxpk said:

He has not shown me the pictures tho', since he was damn busy so didn't even mentioned it. 
Interested to see it actually... 

Actually, I made a mistake. The pictures are for the Taiwan Jirachis. You traded for those too?

I'll send the stamp when I find it.

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Yeah, I just wanted to say that! You mean because of the lottery, right?
No, but I'm still interested in these PokePark Jirachis. I need to confirm the OT Gender determination method.
This would also help to determine if another PokePark Jirachi is legit/legal if one pops up...
I doubt that this will ever happen tho'.

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IIRC Stamp Pokemon have all IVs of 0? Can someone confirm it for me?  And reading through the code for NegaiBoshi, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that did happen since setting the flag to the wrong value would indicate you are providing IVs, when you might have meant to generate them.


EDIT: I might be thinking about E-card pokemon.

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4 hours ago, Sabresite said:

IIRC Stamp Pokemon have all IVs of 0? Can someone confirm it for me?  And reading through the code for NegaiBoshi, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that did happen since setting the flag to the wrong value would indicate you are providing IVs, when you might have meant to generate them.


EDIT: I might be thinking about E-card pokemon.

The Colosseum E-reader mons have 0 IV's in all stats. Set genders and natures but they can be shiny. 

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I want to give an small update on the research but before that I want to mention something that boggles my mind for a while and I just had been given an ok to talk about this in public.
I was talking with a former employee from Nintendo. The one I mentioned before who had a copy of an Aurora Ticket cartridge that was identical to what was leaked end of last year.
There is no such a thing as an individual "fingerprint" as I already said before. What people believe are fingerprints is not unique per cartridge. It's likely an identifier that is only unique per rom version.
But there are quite a few copies of each version as we already know. We are not sure how many of them exist at this point, but that's not too important. 
The point is there is no way Nintendo would care or be able to use this information to trace back where and who these cartridges leaked and if they wanted to do so they already would have done that.
It also must be said that this has been over 10 years ago... so why would Nintendo care about something that happened a long time ago and doesn't affect their daily business?

Speaking of the research, there are still some unsolved questions when it comes to seeding procedures.
It looks like some Events I collected having incremented seeds, which could indicate that there are more Distribution cartridges with an RTC.
I'm actually pretty sure that this is the case. Is there anyone here who knows about this? 

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So then how do you want to explain why the rom I saw was identical to the one that was leaked last year?
And it came from an completely independent source. I'm very curious about how you want to prove that these cartridges are unique. 
The thing is after it was leaked last year I was asked if I know about it, simply because it was exactly the same rom. 

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Also I heard different things about DS distribution carts, but I can't say much about this at this point. Since I haven't seen it myself.
The reason I was posting it is because since this rumor was spread there seem to be insecurities about wether a copy of an distribution cartridge is legit or fake.
I just wanted to say that these bytes are nothing but an identifier that's unique per rom version, not per cartridge. That's a huge difference.

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That's impossible since the source is an former Nintendo employee as I already said.
He got these cartridges firsthand. It's someone I was getting in touch with during the Mystery Gift Research.
Can you say what multiple means in terms of numbers? Just approximately...

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Sorry that I can't say much about that person.
I hope you can understand.

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Yeah, that's the thing. If the identifier would be this unique then this would be impossible, right?
By the way, according to this person the cartridge was never traded or sold, always kept in the same private hand.
I saw it and I had to make an agreement that I won't share it or talk about it back then.
But I think it is something that should be talked about. Especially since people blame each other after the leaks.

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1 hour ago, Purin said:

If the leaked Auroraticket rom and the one your employee source has is in fact a 100% match, then there's definitely something fishy going on...
I've seen the data of two distinct cartridges in person, and got confirmation for one other.

2 independent sources own 10 anniv / aurora ticket carts and dumped their roms. I compared them and they were the same to each other (respectively). While It is possible someone got a fake copy, this was at a time before it was public.  Both source thought they were the only ones with the physical cart.

 

I asked @Bond697 about those 12 bytes and he pointed me to a site outlying rom section formats for the GBA dev kit. And iirc that field was described as an identifier. I can see the confusion in thinking it could be a hardware or serial identifier, but that is not what that means. If I am remembering correctly it was a code section identifier or something like that.

You have to also think about the manufacturing process. If only a few are made, you can't just swap the roms out mid-production. But if you make let's say 1500 for best buy, and 2000 for toys r us, then maybe you will tag it for each company. MAYBE. Usually it is too expensive to do even that.

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1 hour ago, Purin said:

Well, the same pattern is also true with 10ANNIV and Aura Mew. Multiple cartridges from the very same events NEVER had the exact same bytes. I didn't see this even once.
What's more, we already know there's at least one person out there making fake reproductions...

But feel free and believe what you want. I've seen, with my own eyes, more than enough proof to convince me for active per-cartridge fingerprinting.

Even if it is, I don't think anyone cares or has records 10+ yrs later.

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1 hour ago, Purin said:

Well, the same pattern is also true with 10ANNIV and Aura Mew. Multiple cartridges from the very same events NEVER had the exact same bytes. I didn't see this even once.
What's more, we already know there's at least one person out there making fake reproductions...

But feel free and believe what you want. I've seen, with my own eyes, more than enough proof to convince me for active per-cartridge fingerprinting.

Weren't there multiple 10th anniversary carts? Top 10 distribution and the original? What are the chances of also having seen a Nintendo of Italy cart compared to Nintendo of North America or Germany? I don't know all the branches of Nintendo.

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@Purin,

If the distribution carts were loaded in-house (literally at the office with a dev kit), then it would make sense to have multiple identifiers, but not all will be unique. That is because they would have compiled the ROM on each computer using the dev kit, which makes a specific build identifier, and used that to load the carts.  With 3-5 PCs, you can load 500+ carts in a few hours and you would have 3-5 separate identifiers.

Still not traceable though.  Engineers are notoriously lazy too (personal experience here with myself too).  They delete files they don't want anymore.  They don't migrate files to new PCs cause they don't want to deal with legacy stuff.  They throw projects onto tape drives and literally store them in a closet to rot.  And they never keep track of their own code let alone project builds.  And back in 2003 I doubt they used control systems for compiled ROMs.  Code maybe (CVS), but not ROMs.

There is LOTS of evidence (especially in the code) that the distribution carts were the worst hack job in the world.  They didn't even test them thoroughly.  Literally some junior copy/pasted some code they found. redeemed a single pokemon and declared victory.  Even in 2005/2006, a late mew distribution used jirachi code and mew code together, despite having the aura mew code available.  Probably because the guy making the standard library (gcea/misturin/10 aniv/etc) was not the same guy who was asked to make the other mew.  So the guy used legacy code he found somewhere from 2003, most likely the ruby debug commands (as we know mystry mew also uses old as shit generation).

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