What were Entei, Suicune and Raikou before they were revived?

[DanteKoriyu]

Now you're stating the obvious. I know every bit of this is speculation. I've posted like 3 times throughout the topic asking why this debate is still going on when there isn't any real evidence to prove any of the theories. But since it won't die, I might as well take part.

How is it less speculation? Ratatta live in the Tin Tower, and most likely the Brass Tower before it burned down, they also live in the Burnt Tower after it...well, burnt. We know they were around the area for sure, animal locations don't often change unless they are forced to via an outside influence. We have no proof what-so-ever what Pokemon the tower protectors were using 150 years ago, only the modern ones. For all we know, the Eevee in Ecruteak could be a recent trend that caught on after 3 sages obtained some to evolve into the 1st Gen Eeveelutions to honor the Beasts that rose from the dead. There is no information about the past besides vague bits and pieces about the towers meaning and then the burning, and not much else.

You're missing the point there. I was saying that there is fossil evidence of dog domestication 30,000 years ago, meaning most animals that are domestic have been so for a long period of time (though most probably not as long as dogs. lol). Eevee is never truly found in the wild in any of the main games. It is always a gift, imported, or needs to be bred, proof that it is an extremely rare domesticated Pokemon. All this means is that if there were Eevee in the tower, they would have definitely been owned by a trainer. A trainer would keep track of their Pokemon, no people died in the fire, so why would the trainer have been able to get out when the Pokemon couldn't? The natural reaction to protect a Pokemon is to withdraw it into a Pokeball (this is even seen by us players when we switch out a Pokemon we know can't win in a battle), so how did the Eevee die? It would raise more questions of how these guardian sages were protectors of Ho-Oh (who is waiting for the hearts of humans and Pokemon to coincide again) if they failed to even take care of their own Pokemon. Them being common Pokemon (like Ratatta) just makes more sense. The sages, while trying to help all the Pokemon out of the burning flames, can't be sure of how many wild Pokemon are actually living in the tower and they were likely just overlooked.

The most outrageous fact is the thinking that a blazing fire, a lightning strike, and a torrential downpour are going to turn resurrected Eevee into "super" Eeveelutions. The 1st Gen Eeveelutions evolve via radiation from special stones. The rain at the very least would have been deadly to those around had it been radiated. =P Looking at it in the big picture, the 3 events are just death warrants. The fire will roast you you, the lightning will flash fry you, and the water will drown you. Makes more sense to me that Ho-Oh just gave the dead Pokemon the types of the disasters that were present at the tower, not that the disasters themselves influenced an Eevee to "super" evolve into a legendary.

[pokeamvstudio]

I think flareon jolteon and vaporeon have a connection because if you've played the first pokemon ranger game you needed to catch them in order to get to the three legendery dogs

[Klaatu]

I'm not saying that an Eevee struck by lighting will evolve into Raikou without Ho-oh doing it's "magic".

But you have to admit that the eeveelutions are surprisingly similar to the beasts.

Well maybe theres some other explanation how 3 Eevees got into the tower, but it's definitely not impossible.

I hope they'll give us some hints in HGSS

So Rattata is the logical conclusion considering the place, and Eevees are, considering the similarities between the eeveelutions and the beasts.

[KyoMcFizzle]

Who's to say they were even Candid pokemon in the first place? Who's to say they weren't just regular dogs? Additionally, who's to say they weren't some random pokemon? Like Raikou being a Pikachu, Entei being a houndour, and suicune being some random water type? After all, it says they were given the forms of the three beasts, so it's somewhat plausible that they could've just been some random pokemon, no?

[COBHC]

i think the three were bidofs

[Klaatu]

Who's to say they were even Candid pokemon in the first place? Who's to say they weren't just regular dogs? Additionally, who's to say they weren't some random pokemon? Like Raikou being a Pikachu, Entei being a houndour, and suicune being some random water type? After all, it says they were given the forms of the three beasts, so it's somewhat plausible that they could've just been some random pokemon, no?

It's also plausible that they were of the Normal type before, as it was Ho-oh who embodied them with the elements of lightning, flames and rain when giving them the new forms. There wouldn't be any point in that if they were already of those types.

[hotpinkmunchlax]

This is what happens when ditto and eevee get high lol

~hotpinkmunchlax

[This is a normal username]

Entei, Suicune and Raikou were Entei, Suicune and Raikou before they were revived, respectively.

Poor imagination? Nope... I'm just right until I'm proven wrong.

[DanteKoriyu]

No, that would just be completely redundant. You are telling me that RAIKOU, ENTEI, and SUICUNE... were killed by a fire? Entei is a fire type and Suicune is a water type, neither of which help your theory at all, as they could handle the flames. And while Raikou may be an electric type, it still learns Rain Dance, and is a Legendary to boot. It wouldn't get trapped by a fire.

The whole legend is about the loss of innocent life being granted a second chance in a new more powerful/durable form. What is the point if they were Legends already?

[This is a normal username]

No, that would just be completely redundant. You are telling me that RAIKOU, ENTEI, and SUICUNE... were killed by a fire? Entei is a fire type and Suicune is a water type, neither of which help your theory at all, as they could handle the flames. And while Raikou may be an electric type, it still learns Rain Dance, and is a Legendary to boot. It wouldn't get trapped by a fire.

The whole legend is about the loss of innocent life being granted a second chance in a new more powerful/durable form. What is the point if they were Legends already?

They were at level 1. They had no chance. Level ones are innocent lives, are they not?

[DanteKoriyu]

Your theory still has the same hole in it. Even IF they were already the Beast Trio, and Lv. 1, all three of them wouldn't have died. While Suicune maybe a water type, it lacks a water attack. But at the very least, Entei wouldn't have perished from the fire. It is a fire type, capable of spewing flames as hot as magma, which is much hotter than the flames of a burning building. Not to mention fire types can't be burned by fire, therefor Entei cannot BURN TO DEATH.

The fallacy renders the theory null. Not that the theory makes sense anyway. The legend says that the towns people of Ecruteak were scared of the beasts that rose from the ashes after they saw Ho-Oh reincarnate them. Why would they be scared of the Beast Trio then, but not before, it stands to reason that they were Pokemon without great power beforehand.

[chycorita]

700 years before Generation II, the people of Ecruteak built two nine-tier towers with the hopes of fostering friendship and hope between Pokémon and humans. They were the Brass Tower in the west, which was said to awaken Pokémon, and the Tin Tower in the east, where Pokémon were said to rest. Both towers became the roost of powerful flying Pokémon: Ho-Oh and Lugia.

However, about 150 years before the games' events, a lightning bolt struck the Brass Tower. It was engulfed in flames that raged for three days. A sudden downpour finally put out the blaze, but it had already burnt to the ground. Three nameless Pokémon perished in the fire. But Ho-Oh descended from the sky and resurrected them. The Pokémon are said to embody three powers: the lightning that struck the tower, the fire that burned the tower, and the rain that put out the fire. When the Pokémon appeared, they struck terror in those who saw their rise. The three Pokémon, knowing their own power, fled, running like the wind off into the grassland.

Ho-Oh and Lugia haven't been seen since the fire. According to legend, when the souls of Pokémon and humans commune, upon the emergence of a trainer who has the ability to touch the souls of Pokémon, Ho-Oh will return from the heavens.

Bulbapedia. It could have been anything

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Lightning: Raikou Burning: Entei Water putting the fire out: Suicune

[DanteKoriyu]

700 years before Generation II, the people of Ecruteak built two nine-tier towers with the hopes of fostering friendship and hope between Pokémon and humans. They were the Brass Tower in the west, which was said to awaken Pokémon, and the Tin Tower in the east, where Pokémon were said to rest. Both towers became the roost of powerful flying Pokémon: Ho-Oh and Lugia.

However, about 150 years before the games' events, a lightning bolt struck the Brass Tower. It was engulfed in flames that raged for three days. A sudden downpour finally put out the blaze, but it had already burnt to the ground. Three nameless Pokémon perished in the fire. But Ho-Oh descended from the sky and resurrected them. The Pokémon are said to embody three powers: the lightning that struck the tower, the fire that burned the tower, and the rain that put out the fire. When the Pokémon appeared, they struck terror in those who saw their rise. The three Pokémon, knowing their own power, fled, running like the wind off into the grassland.

Ho-Oh and Lugia haven't been seen since the fire. According to legend, when the souls of Pokémon and humans commune, upon the emergence of a trainer who has the ability to touch the souls of Pokémon, Ho-Oh will return from the heavens.

Bulbapedia. It could have been anything

---------- Post added at 06:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:52 PM ----------

Lightning: Raikou Burning: Entei Water putting the fire out: Suicune

We already knew all of that, and we've already agreed that we know that. The argument now is just for fan curiosity of the likely candidates for PokeDeath in the fire.

[Ryo]

It could be probable that the Pokemon they were, prior to their rebirth, are Pokemon that are; A) Long gone, as they perished "150 years ago" or B) Pokemon that we haven't been introduced to just yet.

Also, most likely a trio of normal type beast-like Pokemon.

Or if that doesn't float your boat, the idea of them originally being Vaporeon, Jolteon and Flareon seemingly works, presuming that they "embodied" the three elements they already retained.

Or maybe they were just three Eevees.

[tkdtju]

One theory that was posted a while back was that the three dogs had an origin form like Giratina, I know that the game is out and this probably isn't true but what if there was like a book somewhere that had pics of these origin form Beasts just for the Pokedex and you couldn't catch them

[nekoakuma]

they were the old pokemon you find as statues in ruins of alph.

they were all an unknown type, possibly ??? though.

died and reborn.

[DanteKoriyu]

Both of those are .... The beasts did have an "Origin" form... it was a whole different Pokemon before they died and were reincarnated as the beast trio. They don't need alternate forms, especially since they weren't designed to have them in the first place.

As for them being ??? type Pokemon of the statues you find in the Ruins of Alph...those are all Rhydon statues, and we know Rhydon's typing.

[kris12k4]

well...whatever, entei for the win...fire rules!!!!

Edited October 15, 2009 by kris12k4

[Doomy]

the eeveelution seems very plausible but if entei was an arcanine before the fire....what would suicune and raikou have been ofcourse if entei "was" Arcanine he wouldn't have died in the fire and would have gotten out while it could

the rattata one doesn't work though yes it could have changed its type but a rat resembling pokemon suddenly changing into a dog resemblin pokemon just doesn't work very well

[Dolebiscuit]

They should have completed the legend to begin with. It's stupid to make something up as you go along. Most times it ends abruptly.

Haha, reminds me of the GS ball.

[ZMaster]

Entei, Suicune and Raikou were Entei, Suicune and Raikou before they were revived, respectively.

Poor imagination? Nope... I'm just right until I'm proven wrong.

I completely agree with this. They were not Eevees previously. If they were, where are the rebirth-ed versions Espeon, Umbreon, Leafeon, & Glaceon? And what about basic Eevee itself?

[Neo]

My thoughts are that they were once different Pokemon that died and were resurrected. Once they came back to life, they were born stronger as different species.

[Darkraivids]

Since the Eevee evolutions were sacred in Ecruteak Town, they probably where Flareon for Entei, Vaporeon for Suicune, and Jolteon for Raikou. I know it sounds a bit absurd, but they were sacred there, so that would be the best explanation...I hope.

[nathanmcnutt]

It is believed that Entei, before it perished in the Burnt Tower, was a Flareon. This is supported by the fact that the Burnt Tower is in Ekruteak City, a city where Eevee and it's evolution forms are very popular.

It is believed that Raikou, before it perished in the Burnt Tower, was a Jolteon. This is supported by the fact that the Burnt Tower is in Ekruteak City, a city where Eevee and it's evolution forms are very popular.

It is believed that Suicune, before it perished in the Burnt Tower, was a Vaporeon. This is supported by the fact that the Burnt Tower is in Ekruteak City, a city where Eevee and it's evolution forms are very popular.

Strait from the Wiki. It may not be 100% reliable. But from playing silver and crystal I believe that it was mentioned in the games.

[Dash]

Strait from the Wiki. It may not be 100% reliable. But from playing silver and crystal I believe that it was mentioned in the games.

acutally that backs up davids view and i would seem to think that to be correct.

in all honesty they should make a movie about it

would be amazing to acutally know what happend.