Shaymin + Gracidea Flower question

[Zowayix]

In Platinum and HG/SS, there are some events that can only be activated by having a special Nintendo Event Pokemon with you.
The game identifies them as Event Pokemon because of their "fateful encounter" flag.

Question:
Since the Gracidea only works on "fateful encounter" Shaymin, doesn't that mean that the Shaymin obtained using Oak's Letter will not be able to transform?

[DanteKoriyu]

Platinum Shaymin has the Fateful Encounter flag, which is the only game the Oak's Letter has legitimately been obtainable with (only in Japan as of right now).

Diamond and Pearl Shaymin won't transform. Shaymin wasn't even supposed to be known about until around Platinum's release anyway.

[Toffeuy]

Gracidea Flower works on any Shaymin even the Oak's Letter one. It's just that you need to have the event Shaymin to obtain the Gracidea Flower.

Simplified:
Gracidea Flower can be used on any Shaymin.
Gracidea Flower can only be obtained by having the Event Shaymin in your party.

[DanteKoriyu]

Gracidea Flower works on any Shaymin even the Oak's Letter one. It's just that you need to have the event Shaymin to obtain the Gracidea Flower.

Simplified:
Gracidea Flower can be used on any Shaymin.
Gracidea Flower can only be obtained by having the Event Shaymin in your party.

No Toffeuy, only if you say it will work on any LEGAL Shaymin. Since the only ones that are legally available and can be legit are the Move Shaymin, and the Platinum Oak's letter Shaymin in Japan.

Shaymin HAVE to have the Fateful Encounter flag to transform, try and transform one caught in Diamond or Pearl, it doesn't work.

[Toffeuy]

Oh really?... I thought it works on any Shaymin. On every article i've read they all say the flower can be used on any Shaymin. It's just that obtaining it requires the fateful encounter.

Bulbapedia says that:

Using Glacidea Flower

It's been confirmed that you must have an event Shaymin to receive the Glacidea Flower from the girl in Floaroma, but after getting it, any Shaymin can transform using it.

On WikiAnswers too:

Does the gracidea flower work on any shaymin?
Fortunately yes it does, only if you have the gracidea flower, unfortunately shaymin can only be turned into sky form in the day so you shaymin will automatically turn back in to land form at night. Understand, i hope i helped you alot

[DanteKoriyu]

Well, I can't help that all the articles are based on wrong information.

I made a Youtube video as proof. A Diamond Shaymin, Movie Shaymin, and a Platinum Shaymin. First I show you some of the details in Pokesav, then in game, then the transformations, one of which fails.. Care to guess which? =P (Sorry its kinda long, I have yet to download any editing software.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQzQlVMflfo

[Toffeuy]

I guess you're right then... or could it be that it's because that's an emulator?

[DanteKoriyu]

Its the same on the DS. -.- I just can't post a video of the DS. Being on an emulator isn't going to stop a transformation on ONE Shaymin, when two others work.

[chycorita]

I tried using an action replay... I got the gracidea by the shaymin from the oaks letter. You should try it too...

[Mewtwo Ex]

I agree with Dante. It is impossible to transform a Oak's Letter Shaymin from Diamond/Pearl. I am surprised however that it is not able to.

[Zowayix]

Oh, so a Shaymin from Flower Paradise in Platinum is auto-set to a fateful encounter flag? Thanks.

EDIT: Can someone check to see if Platinum Darkrai and Arceus from Newmoon Island and Hall of Origin are also auto-set to fateful encounter?

Also, another question:
If the NZ Jirachi unlocks the new area in the PokeWalker, doesn't that mean that any fateful encounter Jirachi (like Colosseum Bonus Disk) would also unlock it?

[Mewtwo Ex]

About Jirachi - We do not know. The information is this A NZ Jirachi unlocks an Event in the Pedometer when transferred from Platinum to HG/SS to the device.

Arceus is unknown to trigger the event in Johto. It is confirmed that the Movie ones does.
However i confirm that any LEGIT Arceus from Hall of Origin unlocks the event in the Oreburgh mine. I personally did it.

As for Darkrai i have no information regarding it.

[Midnight]

Actually, I think a Shaymin needs one of few particular flags (the Fateful Encounter flag being the most known) set in order to be able to change into Sky Forme. Although my friend's randomly generated Shaymin was unable to change forme, I turned my Espeon from XD into a Shaymin, and it's able to change forme just fine. I did the same thing with a random Luxio I found in Platinum, and it was incompatible with Gracidea.

If it works like this, there also has to be other flags that have to do with where it was met and whatnot.

NOTE: I'm NOT encouraging anyone to use AR codes, and I NEVER use them for unfair advantages; I just play around with AR/Ocarina codes for fun (and, in ocarina's case, machinimating purposes).

[randomspot555]

As far as I know, any Shaymin, regardless of it being legit or not, can USE the Flower. Only Shaymin with a Fateful Encounter flag can RECEIVE it.

[DanteKoriyu]

As far as I know, any Shaymin, regardless of it being legit or not, can USE the Flower. Only Shaymin with a Fateful Encounter flag can RECEIVE it.

randomspot555, I posted video proof that they can't change. Nothing on the Pokemon was edited after capture, just loaded into the sav file I used. Its a fact, even if not fully understood.

Even if there is more than one flag that help to trigger the transformation, Shaymin caught(or made) before Platinum's release cannot transform with the Gracidea (unless you alter them, or checked the FE flag just because you wanted to the first time lol). I have caught Shaymin at the Flower Paradise in multiple games from multiple regions (Korea, US, Japan) in Diamond and Pearl, and none of them have the ability to change.

The Fateful Flag must be checked in order to transform, the hidden hex values aren't needed either as shown by the Movie Shaymin. The Espeon from XD that you mentioned Midnight, transforming after changing it to Shaymin was likely due to the fact that XD Pokemon have the FE flag checked if you weren't paying attention to that. All you have to do is check the FE flag on the Diamond and Pearl Shaymin and they will transform just like all the others.