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    Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    I've been hearing some rather nasty rumors that the 6th Generation is going to lock out all programs known as Pokesav and Pokegen.

    If this is true it is really going to hurt the competitive side of Pokemon as now everyone will have to train and breed the old way.

    If this happens, it's going to turn me away from the competitive scene completely because I simply do not have the time in my life to tackle such a huge task.

    Anyone have updates on this that I am not aware of?
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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    lol, baseless speculation

    save files can be ripped/written afaik, so they can't block them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaphotics View Post
    lol, baseless speculation

    save files can be ripped/written afaik, so they can't block them out.
    If that's the case then how come not a single 3DS game has been hacked yet?
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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Preparefortrouble View Post
    nintendo 3DS prevents hacking devices (action replay etc)
    games ...well i dont know
    To be fair, there are alot of 3DS Roms on the Internet. I've seen some for Mario Tennis Open and Kid Icarus Uprising so assuming we can do the same for Pokemon X & Y, we will be able to Pokegen the save files like we do for the current games.

    The only catch is we may not be able to do it for the actual games, only roms.
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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    3DS saves can be accessed via USB devices, though they are encrypted. Games that need more save storage will save additional data to the SD card, also encrypted. So, save editors will need access to both, which may or may not have system/cartridge specific encryption (if there's not, there's a small chance of an editor, if there is, almost certainly no). There's also the chance that the save on the SD card might be updated as to the structure (after an update), so the save editor would also need to be updated in that case, further complicating the issue.

    So, I think it unlikely (for now, anyway) that save editing will arise. As for Action Replay, a system exploit would need to be found. Hackers secretly found one, but Nintendo already fixed it. There is currently no way to run homebrew on the 3DS, so no Action Replay (unless Datel somehow gets a license from Nintendo, but that probably won't happen).

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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    Quote Originally Posted by evandixon View Post
    3DS saves can be accessed via USB devices, though they are encrypted. Games that need more save storage will save additional data to the SD card, also encrypted. So, save editors will need access to both, which may or may not have system/cartridge specific encryption (if there's not, there's a small chance of an editor, if there is, almost certainly no). There's also the chance that the save on the SD card might be updated as to the structure (after an update), so the save editor would also need to be updated in that case, further complicating the issue.

    So, I think it unlikely (for now, anyway) that save editing will arise. As for Action Replay, a system exploit would need to be found. Hackers secretly found one, but Nintendo already fixed it. There is currently no way to run homebrew on the 3DS, so no Action Replay (unless Datel somehow gets a license from Nintendo, but that probably won't happen).
    So to simplify it, does that mean Pokegen is coming to an end? and we will all have to play the game normally?
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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    For now, yes. However, I'm sure hackers will work at it, and there's a small chance of success. I can't say for sure, because the game isn't out yet. It may be hackable, it may not be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandixon View Post
    For now, yes. However, I'm sure hackers will work at it, and there's a small chance of success. I can't say for sure, because the game isn't out yet. It may be hackable, it may not be.
    Well, all I can say is I hope we can use Pokegen on it because if not, that'll be the end of Competitive Pokemon for me.
    That is unless of course Gamefreak re-work the mechanics and make it more reasonable to raise a competitive team.
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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Preparefortrouble View Post
    wait..I'm sort of confused on something.
    if pokegen is used to make "legal" pokemon why are we calling it hacking?
    legit: something legal that occurred in game (like when I capture a wild Pokemon with a Pokeball I found/bought)
    legal: could occur in game given the right circumstances, doesn't have to be legit (like when I maxed out my Pokemon's stats
    illegal: couldn't possibly happen in-game (like when I showed my friends a diglet that knew water gun and fly)

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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    Even if savs encryption can't be broken,
    If they can fake genVI gts, you probably can download and the. Pkm file
    And use updated programs.

    Plus, if I recall correctly, genIV to Gen V encryption for .pkm didn't really change,
    what's to say it will now?

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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    Quote Originally Posted by theSLAYER View Post
    Even if savs encryption can't be broken,
    If they can fake genVI gts, you probably can download and the. Pkm file
    And use updated programs.

    Plus, if I recall correctly, genIV to Gen V encryption for .pkm didn't really change,
    what's to say it will now?
    By encryption, I meant encryption of the save file.
    The save file is encrypted (tool to decrypt 3DS saves) but there's no guarantee that the encryption for Pokémon will be the same. I think I saw somewhere that this doesn't support newer games.

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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    Quote Originally Posted by evandixon View Post
    By encryption, I meant encryption of the save file.
    The save file is encrypted (tool to decrypt 3DS saves) but there's no guarantee that the encryption for Pokémon will be the same. I think I saw somewhere that this doesn't support newer games.
    Sorry for not being clear

    I understood that the sav file encryption changed, which rendered r4 dongle pointless

    I'm saying people extract ther Pokemon using fakegts or pokecheck, if they manage to fake the wifi protocols,
    And if the Pokemon encryption remain similar.

    The format will most likely change again, like how itnchanged from Gen iv to Gen v

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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    From what I can see, there are 2 solutions to this problem

    1. Keep Pokegen usable, at the end of the day, we are using the program to merely speed up the process. Other than the ability to say you did it the legit way (Which to me is a pretty silly motive) the end result is the same as if you trained it properly.
    2. Rework the raising system. Lets face it people, the reason we all used Pokegen and Pokesav was because we all know Gamefreak designed the raising of competitive Pokemon to be far too tedious so the best solution to this would be to rework how the Pokemon are raised.

    I can think of 1 way right off the bat to significantly reduce this: Add all IV's to the EV Training system. Right now we have 6 stats with 31 IV's in each which mounts to 186, just add that 186 to the already existing 510. This way it'll be much easier to controlling the IV's that go into all your stats plus it means all those Individual values that are going to waste on stats that don't matter can be used to stats that do matter.

    Maybe this will take some getting used to but I bet that would be a great idea in the long run.
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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    Quote Originally Posted by theSLAYER View Post
    Sorry for not being clear

    I understood that the sav file encryption changed, which rendered r4 dongle pointless

    I'm saying people extract ther Pokemon using fakegts or pokecheck, if they manage to fake the wifi protocols,
    And if the Pokemon encryption remain similar.

    The format will most likely change again, like how itnchanged from Gen iv to Gen v
    I suppose a GTS spoof is possible, if they didn't vastly beef up their security.

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    Re: Pokemon X & Y to shut out Action Replay?

    I fail to see the problem is with people raising their Pokemon with how they should. As long as they know how to raise them as they should (competitive wise). IF they can't or don't know how, that is their fault. The internet is filled with resources on any and all Pokemon games.
    It would be refreshing battling a team that was raised fighting ingame the Pokemon league instead of one that was made by code. You can imagine the quantity of battles i have experienced over the last 10 years. I don't mind if i fight a legendary Shiny Dialga or something other Shiny. Its possible to get them. I'm a proud owner of a real Shiny Mewtwo, but it took a colossal amount of time no whining kid would want to put up.
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    However, from my iOS experience where the exploits are constantly patched, i find it hard to believe that Nintendo would completely block all sorts of game edits. They know that their games have/had and insane amount of depth in raising Pokes (at least till now) and that people cannot get stats without some form of editing the .sav via code or replacement of it.
    I was on datel's site not long ago looking for the DSi firmware upgrade that was not in the PC program accesable and i think i saw something about codes for 3DS but don't quote me on that.

    My thought is that they will not block cheating completely, but will probably slow down the process until users find a way around it.



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