Development of a PP Tier

[Greencat]

The point of Wobbuffet and Garchomp being put in Ubers is that they don't work well in OU.

Exactly. People should keep in mind that the uber tier is not meant to be balanced. It's just a ban list for the standard tier. A Pokemon that doesn't perform well in ubers means jack if it should be there. It should be there if it centralizes the standard tier.

Nevermind. I was misunderstood three times now. >_>

[Illithian]

Greencat, I'll try to break down my understanding of your posts so you can be more clear.

Illithian, many of the Pokemon you mentioned in your list couldn't work in Ubers.

Agreed.

Why use Porygon-Z when Rayquaza or Lyogre does the job much much better? The class above HIgh Class, Overpowerd, is for Pokemon that can operate well in both OU and Ubers.

I think this is what threw me off. Overpowered is probably our new name for Ubers. The hypothetical tier between OU and Ubers (which hadn't been named) was for pokemon that were very centralizing in the OU metagame. It had nothing to do with Ubers. It was essentially a banlist for OU. Most of the pokemon I mentioned were quite centralizing in the OU metagame, so banning atleast some of them would make sense for a new player. However, I opposed the idea because experienced players wouldn't like it and it would create disorder.

You misunderstood again. I was also discussing the potential for a tier between OU and Ubers, except that it should be Pokémon that can operate well in both OU and Ubers, like Woubuffet and Garchomp.

Wobbuffet and Garchomp were moved to Ubers not because it was predicted they would function well. In fact, if you read up on the Garchomp suspect, there was a massive opposition that Garchomp would become useless in Ubers. Well, he hasn't. The point of moving Wobbuffet and Garchomp was because they broke the Standard metagame and overcentralised it. Smogon could potentially move any pokemon up to Ubers, so long as it breaks the OU metagame, regardless how it would function in its new tier.

Ubers wasn't created to be a metagame. Its a banlist.

[SCV]

OK, it seems we are coming to a conclusion as to how many tiers we want.

Now we should discuss a testing method.

Tests should probably start once we have analyzed once we know what the new available movesets are after HG/SS is released. So we can use the remaining days to decide on a method, as well as names (there is already another thread the names).

The guys who have been testing, if you can post your method so we can see if that's what we want to use or modify. The testing you guys have done might not be applicable now (maybe it will be) but at least we can learn from the method.

[Gin]

This is dead for now, anyway, tiering will be shaken up in September. Closing