How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

[Lorshinator]

Yes. However, it is parallel to Skarmoy. Although Skarmory is beast in physical, it's special is a sore spot, and yes I know SkarmBliss Combos are the worst... But that's actually what Eelektross would be good at doing. :3

Mantine doesn't need an evolution, since Skarmory does not need one, but it certainly does need a better movepool. I chose roost because it's a flying type, and I don't know, I thought it made more sense, as it just would rest on sand and take a break, rather than making a nest or repairing it's genes or something.


Eelektross should. Alakazam has pathetic arms and he can still punch (referring to his dex here, I know how the past worked). It has giant arms and big claws, and I don't think it would be breaking the rules if it could learn a "punch" move.

[wraith89]

Eelektross does not make a replacement for Skarmbliss... ever :|

You see, well, Gamefreak does NOT think in terms of competitiveness, just lore-wise, and so Mantine is the polar opposite to Skarmory. Competitive players, however, do not use it that way. Also, Mantine is not a bird nor does it fly in the bird-like sense (even though it is flying type), so Roost would not really work, I think. It "glides underwater", as that is what rays do. Even then, there are some Pokemon out there who would really like Roost, like Rayquaza or even Heracross! But no Air Slash Gamefreak? Really now?

Alakazam actually had amazing punching prowess in the anime... seen it attacking Gary's Umbreon with Dynamicpunch? It was out of character for an Alakazam, but belonging to a rough pirate-like guy, I guess that is what he intended on doing.

Giant arms... I was rather annoyed at how totally unfairly biased the Electabuzz/Magmar duo was when they gave Electabuzz Ice Punch and Magmar had nothing to compensate for that. And even when they evolved, Electivire got the superior ability... couldn't Magmortar at least get Flash Fire? Electric type favouritism I tell you... every time! So then Eelektross gets all elemental punches? I guess though, Eelektross was meant to be some uber powerful creature of some kind because it has a similar evolution kind to Beldum or Magikarp, but it just isn't. It has an already expansive movepool though, so I believe it is some sort of a dragon-esque creature? God forbid that day when it gets Ice Punch... *runs* I would at least think it has Surf, because it is an eel! What a strange fellow Eelektross is...

Actually, God forbid the day Haxorus gets Fire Punch. Then I just quit!

[Bowser Ex]

How would I try to improve Pokemon in a competitive way? To think strategically when it comes to improving stats - For example, Serperior might not have the greatest defense, so as soon as it evolves from Servine, I would use some iron (which ups the base defense stat) and I could teach it a defensive move, like Reflect of Calm Mind for Special Def. Stuff like that. In my opinion, you should make the most of your pokemon's stats before it reaches level 100.

[Lorshinator]

I did not mean Replacement. I meant counter, if it is mixed. (Thunderbolt + Wild Charge/Brick Break).

I would have to be unimaginably high to say that Eelektross would be a wall that good.

Give it waterfall then. ._.

[Lorshinator]

Ummm Bowser? This thread is more about what a Pokemon does/doesn't have, and how it could be improved.

For instance. Serperior's HP sucks. 75 isn't going to do much or something. So let's bump it to 80.
Or, a pokemon may not know a move, and then you list a move, and why it should be able to learn that move. :/

[Bowser Ex]

Ok, so If a Serperior had 75 in HP, than you should try to improve it to 80 (like you said) or if you want to teah it a new move, you wonder how it could use that move, like I was shocked at first that Hydreigon couldn't use Dragon Claw (I then realized it doesn't have any hands)

[wraith89]

Eelektross is a wallbreaker, but still will not beat Blissey without Acid Spray but still handles Skarmory well... usually. If it is the physical variant though, Skarmory can set up on it and blow it away when it Coils.

I do not know anything with Waterfall that does not have Surf.

[Lorshinator]

Coil and Wild Charge/Brick Break?

Acid spray may do something unless it is a calm mind variant. When I said mixed, I meant two physical moves for coverage, status, then STAB special. Or a special non-STAB and then another STAB physical. :/

[Lorshinator]

Ummm... Haxorus can learn dragon claw?

[Bowser Ex]

Oh sorry. I was thinking of Hydreigon. I'll edit my previous post. Hydreigon can't use it because it doesn't have any hands. I was shocked at first to learn it couldn't use it. That's what I meant.

[Lorshinator]

Yeah, it makes sense it can't use Dragon Claw.

Outrage on the other hand...?

Nah, Hydreigon does not need it.

[Klaatu]

Ive been thinking about how certain pokemon get screwed by Stealth Rock...

50% HP for 4x weakness is clearly too impacting.

Id change it to something like this
0.25x= 0%+5
0.5x= 5%+5
1x= 10%+5
2x= 20%+5
4x= 30%+5
(The 5 being flat HP)

While this is a move, adjusting it would mean giving pokemon, who are essentially crap because of it, another chance.
...
Would a new thread be appropriate for discussing new moves or move changes that would improve the experience or be fun? o:

[Lorshinator]

Yeah, stealth rock is a tad bit OP.

I also thought that it could only work so many times, like after it hurts five foes, you have to set it up again? :/

[wraith89]

Whirlwind?

Skarmory is not getting OHKOd by Wild Charge anytime soon, not without taking previous damage and Stealth Rocks anyways, although it still does like (76% - 89.8%) after a + 1. As for Brick Break, it is ridiculously weak, especially without STAB. It is a consistent option for most non-Fighters, but do not expect that to OHKO Blissey anytime soon, even with a + 1. Wild Charge is not much weaker than Brick Break on Blissey anyways. Unless you were talking about beating Blissey... yeah I guess so. But I was more thinking about your special version. I think Acid Spray is usually more effective, except it forces things to switch out and has no effect on Steels.

I'm not trying to dismiss Eelektross as a wallbreaker, but seriously, if it wants to break through Skarmbliss, Coil set is not it. I think it would scare Blissey away though, as it turns into a set up bait... until Eelektross gets revenged by Specs Latios's Draco Meteor or something ridiculously overpowered.

Since when did Hydreigon have claws? Though I would love it to learn that move for some consistent physical STAB, but that is what Crunch is there for. And it is not even meant for that kind of job, so... blah.

Stealth Rocks is incredibly OP. Though I do like it when that Yanmega comes in with 50% HP less, some things like Articuno and the likes do not need reassurance about how useless they are already! If 2x weakness would be something like 18.75% and 4x would be 25%... eh, I don't know. At least Ho-oh got Regenerator to somewhat make up for that weakness.

EDIT: Okay, Eelektross supposedly lives underwater. It ABSOLUTELY needs Surf, maybe Dive.

As for Cofagrigus, it learns Nightmare and Dream Eater, but not Hypnosis? Hindsight anybody?
Also, it needs Pain Split or perhaps Recover. For a tanky Pokemon, it goes down much too quickly from the likes of a STAB Surf or something due to its low HP (ghosts with high defences tend to have ridiculously low HP... but it is characteristic of them as ghosts are not full of life, ha ha).

[Bowser Ex]

I wonder why the heck Kyogre can learn Thunder? It doesn't make sense :/ I'm guessing because of it's Drizzle ability, Thunder has a 100% accuracy, and they want to make Kyogre overly powerful? And if it was high Spec. Attack, it'll be really dangerous.

Skymory won't get OHKO'd anytime soon by Wild Charge because of it also being a steel type. Type match ups these days... Posion type moves not affecting steel types? I first learned that when I tried to use Gunk Shot on a Magnezone...

Why would they make Confagirous able to learn Nightmare if it can't lean Hypnosis? Nightmare won't do any good if it doesn't know a move that can put a pokemon to sleep.