How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

[wraith89]

Wow everybody is going around changing Pokemon's base stats. Maybe I should do that too! I think I'll do that for Tropius some other time; it's too underwhelming for something based off the mighty Mokele-Mbembe.

Hmm.. I always thought Absol's problem was the speed, not the defences. 75 is okay, but not good enough to outpace everything, and you cannot depend on Sucker Punch all the time. Its movepool is not bad either, but yeah, it is too chancey. But hey, it is Absol, the Pokemon that is supposed to bring bad luck and you wielding it depends on how your luck turns out. </endlamejoke>

You know, the Pokemon you are thinking of might just be Bisharp: a Dark/Steel with similar attack power and higher defence, has Sucker Punch, Swords Dance, and hurts in general. :|

[Gin]

That was my initial thought process, but I realized if I buffed the speed strongly, it would just be too squishy- or too strong, depending on how high the speed ended up. Then again, compared to Gen5 guys, I could probably give it dragon dance and base 110 speed and it'd be fine

[SilentFox]

Ariados.

I would give it some ability and a larger move set.

Give it some strong moves like toxic spikes and psychic and a new bug move that raises speed and special defense by stages

[wraith89]

Dragon Dance Absol sounds pretty cool... but it does not appear draconian. They ought to give it a signature move that raises its Attack and Speed stat, much like Gear Shift for Klinklang.

Ariados already learns Psychic... NATURALLY. But with that low SpA rating it is of little use.

[Klaatu]

@ Klaatu: I made that comment about Tail Glow as well. Even in Korean, it is called Firefly Glow.

@ Leaf Dragoon: Entei received Flare Blitz via an event, but I still don't like that it is event exclusive. It also learned Extremespeed, Howl, and Crush Claw. Also, how is it that this little blue mudfish can provoke the earth to shake while Entei, the legendary beast embodiment of fire, cannot? I still do not understand how Entei is denied Earthquake! Entei would do well if they gave it the right physical moves, as Stone Edge alone is not enough to differentiate it from an uncommon yet ordinarily obtained Arcanine. I still don't believe Gamefreak for not properly adjusting legendaries. Just because they are of one element, does not mean they should completely be limited to that element! And yet they were perfectly okay lavishing away Heat Wave to Zapdos. I... just... cannot comprehend.

Flareon with Flare Blitz, Jolteon with Electro Ball... that would be all mighty and swell, but what would Vaporeon learn naturally in that one extra slot they give for the Eeveelutions?

Best I could think of when I was thinking about eeveelutions in particular, was Aqua Tail...
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wi...r:Saiph_charon

btw, do you know if making Razor Wind Flying type would be out of question given its basis?

[wraith89]

Best I could think of when I was thinking about eeveelutions in particular, was Aqua Tail...
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wi...r:Saiph_charon

btw, do you know if making Razor Wind Flying type would be out of question given its basis?

Possibly, but it would have little utility on physically weak Vaporeon. Oh well. Although Vaporeon is good enough as it is, so it will not matter.

I think... they should just teach that move to Sneasel and Weavile. I also think they should just revamp the whole move Razor Wind in general. While it sounds cool, threatening, and given to a couple of powerful Pokemon (and as Floatzel's ultimate attack in Gen IV), it is a horrendous competitive move and they have done nothing to improve on it much... at least change its base power to 140 or something if it requires a charge up! Also a lot of Flying Pokemon learn Razor Wind, so I don't see why not. I was wondering about Normal type Razor Wind: Gust was changed accordingly from Gen I to II, and so were some other moves like Karate Chop and the likes...

[SilentFox]

Alright give it zen headbutt or something.

[Lorshinator]

Hmm, interesting idea, but sounds a little too powerful for something like that. ._.

[wraith89]

Just letting you know:



Mightyena stats:

70/90/70/60/60/70



Ariados stats:

70/90/70/60/60/40

Look at that: the only difference between the two is speed. I think both of them need an evolution or something. I want a Spider-Man coloured spider so I could nickname him Spider-Man after my favourite superhero :|

Ariados needs a better Bug STAB attack than Bug Bite. It has Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch... maybe it can get a Bug priority move also. However, it has its own niche and worked pretty well in Ubers as an anti-lead vs. Deoxys and Darkrai. Other than that, it is one of those Bug Pokemon meant to be at the bottom of the food chain unfortunately. But that does not explain why they created Galvantula >:|

Now forget Ariados.. what about its counterpart Ledian?

Mightyena, on the other hand... come on, are they serious? Some ferocious thing based off a wolf, or a hyena, or a jackal, or whatever, happened to have very underwhelming stats, a limited movepool (not even access to Pursuit), and overall not very competitively viable. They tried by adding elemental fangs in, but then again, a lot of things with teeth has access to that as well. It is a lot like Liepard: early game Dark Pokemon with very little potential. But at least Liepard has Prankster from Dream World and some support moves; Mightyena has nothing to show off. Just evolve the thing already

There are other things that are not as powerful as they look, such as Onix or Tropius. Mind telling me how this giant rock snake has less HP and Attack than a Spearow? And what about Delcatty? You evolve this cat with a Moon Stone to turn out into this very middling Pokemon with incredibly low stats. Sure it has a great movepool but so do every other normals out there. I don't know what to say anymore.

Hitmonchan, also, has no real specialisation, as Hitmonlee is better than it in every ways but defence, but Hitmonchan's defence is a lost cause because it is not all that great. Besides, Hitmontop has better defences AND Intimidate. Hitmonchan's Pokedex says how fast it is, but Hitmonlee is faster? Even worse is when it was first released until Gen III... it could not use its signature Elemental Punches properly due to that 35 special attack! Once the attack split came in Gen IV... the other fighters were able to do more damage... and then some, since they could all do the same thing Hitmonchan could do. Forgot to add that Hitmonchan is the only Hitmon that cannot Sucker Punch. How ironic. I know Sucker Punch is not a real punch, and Hitmonchan plays honourably, but still... that's very awkward.

Too many Pokemon... with competitive flaws... I know Pokemon were not all made equally, and I like it that way. But some were just unfair. Really unfair.

[PokePoindexter]

Well, if we're altering base stats as well, I'd rearrange those of a specific Eeveelution:

Flareon:

HP: 95
Attack: 60
Defense: 65
Sp. Attack: 130
Sp. Defense: 65
Speed: 110

I've given up trying to get Flareon to gain access to Flare Blitz; ever since Darmanitan came, Flareon's last hope to be the best Physical Fire-type has gone.

[wraith89]

Imo that looks too much like Espeon
I like its arrangement currently: its movepool is the problem... and speed of course. At this point though, it's probably more efficient to be special, but it looks boring :3

[Lorshinator]

Here's an idea:

Mantine, keep his stats the same, but give him roost, air slash, and maybe heal bell. Now he's beautiful.

[wraith89]

Maybe not so much Roost, as it is not a bird, but Recover, as aquatic creatures who recover their appendages or something. I don't know. Now I'm hoping the baby form Mantyke could have some move that could benefit its evolution form.

... Dream World is trolling: it learns Air Cutter, not Air Slash. UGH.

[Lorshinator]

I once thought of using Mantine, but it's so useless in comparison to Skarmory.

And give Eelektross the elemental punches. :3

[wraith89]

It still walls Water Pokemon very well... but that's about it. The only problem is that it is outclassed by Blissey, making people think Mantine is useless. Outclassed doesn't mean useless in absolute terms: people are always misled by that and all of a sudden think Feraligatr is bad because it is "outclassed" by Gyarados. Mhh. The one thing bringing it down is its 4x weakness... that and its low physical defence. Then there is that lack of Recovery... and they gave it a baby form of all things.

I don't know if that thing can even punch :|