Page 1 of 7 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 92

Thread: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

  1. #1
    Emperor of the Originals Helpful Q&A MemberSuper Moderator wraith89's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    朝鮮
    Posts
    3,080

    How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    Just for fun... what would you specifically do to make underpowered Pokemon more useful?

    I dug up something I was making for an old hack I was making, and found some data of what I was planning on doing. This was for Gen IV btw... and I had some proposed changes for the legendary birds because the advantage was heavily polarised towards giving Zapdos the upper hand while the other two (Articuno mostly) suffered with little to no improvements as generations went by.


    Articuno
    Spoiler

    1 Gust
    1 Powder Snow
    3 Heal Bell
    8 Agility
    15 Mind Reader
    22 Ice Shard
    29 Ancientpower
    36 Ice Beam
    43 Hydro Pump
    50 Roost
    57 Reflect
    64 Extrasensory
    71 Blizzard
    78 Sheer Cold
    85 Hail
    93 Tailwind
    99 Hurricane

    (Modified) TM / HM:
    Note: Base TM/HM system is HGSS's with slight alterations
    For simplicity sakes, I will not use Gen V attacks currently
    * indicates additions
    + indicates changed TMs

    *+TM03 Hydro Pump
    *TM04 Calm Mind
    TM05 Roar
    TM06 Toxic
    TM07 Hail
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM11 Sunny Day
    TM13 Ice Beam
    TM14 Blizzard
    TM15 Hyper Beam
    TM17 Protect
    TM18 Rain Dance
    *+TM21 Heal Bell
    *TM23 Iron Tail
    TM27 Return
    TM32 Double Team
    TM33 Reflect
    TM37 Sandstorm
    TM40 Aerial Ace
    TM42 Facade
    TM43 Secret Power
    TM44 Rest
    *+TM46 Extrasensory
    TM47 Steel Wing
    *+TM48 Power Gem
    TM51 Roost
    *TM55 Brine
    TM58 Endure
    TM68 Giga Impact
    TM72 Avalanche
    TM82 Sleep Talk
    TM83 Natural Gift
    TM87 Swagger
    *+TM88 Air Slash
    TM89 U-turn
    TM90 Substitute
    *TM91 Flash Cannon (?)
    HM02 Fly
    *HM03 Surf
    HM05 Whirlpool / Defog
    HM06 Rock Smash
    *HM07 Waterfall (?)

    (Current) Tutor Moves:
    Note: Using HGSS move tutor system. Some of these will change due to redundancies with new TMs and whatnot.
    * indicates additions

    Air Cutter
    Ancientpower
    *Aqua Tail
    *Block
    *Dive
    *Heal Bell
    Icy Wind
    Mud-Slap
    Ominous Wind
    Signal Beam
    Sky Attack
    Snore
    Swift
    Tail Wind
    Twister


    Justifications:

    http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wi...By_leveling_up
    The page above will show you why Articuno needed a change. It is absolutely horrifying how a legend could end up so poor in performance, so Articuno was the one who needed this change out of all three of the birds. Anyhow, the role for Articuno will be clearly defined with this change from a shaky tank that got shafted by Stealth Rocks into a definite boosting tank with actual coverage. Because Articuno hails from Seafoam Islands, which is predominantly water, it seems only fair that Articuno has access to water moves, which will allow it some great coverage against the Rock and Fire Pokemon Articuno would have trouble hitting. Articuno was able to Heal Bell from Pokemon XD, but for some reason, HGSS move tutor denied it and Dragonite that move! Seriously now?

    Of course, the big problem is Articuno does not hit too hard and STAB Electric or Fire moves will bring it down in 2 hits. That's why we give it Calm Mind to bolster its Special stats so with enough of them, Articuno will become a mean stalling machine and have decent offences! Now should I give the other two birds Calm Mind? Does not seem likely, as only Articuno seems to be the most Calm of the three. If one wants to go the offensive route, Articuno has access to the rare Tail Glow, since it does have a tail. Unfortunately, in Japanese the name is Firefly Glow, so they gave it only to Volbeat for a reason (and Manaphy), but Articuno should definitely be able to use this, methinks, and to a great effect. Articuno is still stopped by its middling speed mind you, and anything with a Rock attack will put an end to its icy prowess, so it is still far from broken. It also cannot devote two whole moveslots to Agility and Tail Glow/Calm Mind because it will lack Roost, which is essential. Mono Ice Beam is going to suck unless you have the proper team support. However, it does not have to pretend to be something it isn't anymore and can actually pose a legitimate threat.

    Due to its prodigious tail, Articuno gains Iron Tail and Aqua Tail, though it's only for the sake of making sense, not really for utility. Power Gem is there because Articuno, the embodiment of ice, should be able to utilise crystals somehow as an attacking mechanism. Yes, it's a rock attack, but nonetheless, I don't see much wrong with it. Asides from that, Rock + Water + Ice makes a fine combination, only resisted by Empoleon if I remember correctly. Extrasensory because all birds received that on Pokemon XD. Flash Cannon is there because the Ice Cream can learn it... somehow makes sense if I think about it. However it might be off, so I don't know what to say. Not like it will have much use though... it will still be walled by Empoleon. I also allowed Articuno to learn water HMs, as I can see it taking a dip in the waters and swimming around, although it would much prefer to fly. Waterfall, however, I am not sure of, and might just get rid of that. Block though, has an interesting utility, and I'm sure Articuno is able to do so with its ice powers, trapping the foe. This will surely make all bulky waters cry and make Articuno a bigger force to reckon with, as they have no way to pass through a Subroost Articuno who intoxicated them. Mind you, that would mean Articuno would forfeit Ice Beam, making it a Taunt bait, but it is still a suggestion.

    I STILL don't believe they denied Dragonite and Articuno the Heal Bell move tutor.

    Nonetheless, this change makes Articuno much more versatile than before and it should not struggle with finding a slot in a party unlike the high risk low reward version that exists right now. The Articuno right now is a total joke for a legendary and it makes little sense to ever use it. I only use it because I like it, but more often than not it is a deadweight and requires more effort than it is worth to use. I don't get why Articuno gets no improvements over the generations while Zapdos keeps getting things unthinkable such as Heat Wave and an improved Lightningrod while Moltres's 100 base attack is a wasted stat. While Hydreigon is in the similar vein, it has a lot of physical attacks to use. Moltres does not... heck Zapdos was the one who got Drill Peck! That leaves Articuno with absolutely nothing. Yes, I'm well aware of the "legendaries must embody their own elements so they only get moves of their own typing" but explain Zapdos with Heat Wave. When all these birds got Heat Wave, it was an excuse for Zapdos to get it, as many of them have pitiful Special Attack, Moltres already had access to it naturally (and would use Flamethrower or Fire Blast anyways) and Togekiss also had access to Fire attacks. I'm sure it was all to buff Zapdos somehow. I'm of the belief they gave up on Articuno and went on buffing Suicune... but this I'm sure there are ways to make Articuno much more usable and live up to its name.

    Gen V additions: possibly Hurricane, though it wouldn't be able to use it much well, but if I did that, I'd have to give it to Zapdos too, and it would be much TOO effective. Cannot risk that. Meh, I guess Frost Breath and Sky Drop are the only notable additions. Reason why I cannot give Scald is because no Ice Pokemon (not even Water/Ice dual types) have access to it. I guess it is clear that such Pokemon can only use cold water, not burning types. What a shame, considering Articuno would use that very effectively, should it be able to do so. Also changing Dream World ability from Snow Cloak to Thick Fat.



    Zapdos

    Spoiler

    1 Peck
    1 Thundershock
    3 Thunder Wave
    8 Agility
    15 Detect
    22 Drill Peck
    29 Ancientpower
    36 Metal Sound
    43 Charge Beam
    50 Roost
    57 Light Screen
    64 Extrasensory
    71 Thunder
    78 Discharge
    85 Rain Dance
    93 Baton Pass
    99 Zap Cannon

    (Modified) TM / HM:
    Note: Base TM/HM system is HGSS's with slight alterations
    For simplicity sakes, I will not use Gen V attacks currently
    * indicates additions
    + indicates changed TMs

    TM05 Roar
    TM06 Toxic
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM11 Sunny Day
    TM15 Hyper Beam
    TM16 Light Screen
    TM17 Protect
    TM18 Rain Dance
    TM24 Thunderbolt
    TM25 Thunder
    TM27 Return
    TM32 Double Team
    TM34 Shock Wave
    TM37 Sandstorm
    TM40 Aerial Ace
    TM42 Facade
    TM43 Secret Power
    TM44 Rest
    *+TM46 Extrasensory
    TM47 Steel Wing
    TM51 Roost
    *TM52 Focus Blast
    TM57 Charge Beam
    TM58 Endure
    TM68 Giga Impact
    TM70 Flash
    TM73 Thunder Wave
    TM82 Sleep Talk
    TM83 Natural Gift
    *+TM85 Heat Wave
    TM87 Swagger
    *+TM88 Air Slash
    TM89 U-turn
    TM90 Substitute
    *TM91 Flash Cannon
    HM02 Fly
    HM05 Defog
    HM06 Rock Smash

    (Current) Tutor Moves:
    Note: Using HGSS move tutor system. Some of these will change due to redundancies with new TMs and whatnot.
    * indicates additions

    Air Cutter
    Ancientpower
    Heat Wave
    Mud-Slap
    Ominous Wind
    Sky Attack
    Signal Beam
    Snore
    Swift
    Tailwind
    Twister

    Justifications:

    Though Zapdos doesn't need much changes, I'll be kind and so I added a few new moves. Extrasensory just because all the other birds get it. Though I loathe the fact I added an Air Slash TM, Zapdos gets it too if the other birds do. Flinch rate is horrendous though. Flash Cannon has little utility asides from sniping Rock Pokemon, but it still makes sense on an electric bird such as Zapdos. I don't see how it could not do it if it learns Metal Sound. Speaking of which, Metal Sound and Baton Pass are moves from Pokemon XD, but I allowed it to learn it naturally. Metal Sound has its uses as a pseudo Nasty Plot, allowing it to force Blissey out should that blob feel too comfortable switching in. I'm still iffy about Focus Blast, but that is there.

    Gen V Additions: It's already powerful enough in Gen V... meh.



    Moltres

    Spoiler

    1 Wing Attack
    1 Ember
    3 Morning Sun
    8 Agility
    15 Endure
    22 Fire Spin
    29 Ancientpower
    36 Flamethrower
    43 Air Slash
    50 Roost
    57 Safeguard
    64 Extrasensory
    71 Solarbeam
    78 Brave Bird
    85 Sunny Day
    93 Flare Blitz
    99 Hurricane

    (Modified) TM / HM:
    Note: Base TM/HM system is HGSS's with slight alterations
    For simplicity sakes, I will not use Gen V attacks currently
    * indicates additions
    + indicates changed TMs

    TM05 Roar
    TM06 Toxic
    TM10 Hidden Power
    TM11 Sunny Day
    *TM12 Taunt
    TM15 Hyper Beam
    TM17 Protect
    TM18 Rain Dance
    TM20 Safeguard
    TM22 Solarbeam
    TM27 Return
    TM32 Double Team
    TM35 Flamethrower
    TM37 Sandstorm
    TM38 Fire Blast
    *+TM39 Earth Power
    TM40 Aerial Ace
    *TM41 Torment
    TM42 Facade
    TM43 Secret Power
    TM44 Rest
    *+TM46 Extrasensory
    TM47 Steel Wing
    TM50 Overheat
    TM51 Roost
    *TM52 Focus Blast
    TM58 Endure
    TM61 Will-o-Wisp
    TM68 Giga Impact
    *TM80 Rock Slide (?)
    TM82 Sleep Talk
    TM83 Natural Gift
    *TM84 Poison Jab
    *+TM85 Heat Wave
    TM87 Swagger
    *+TM88 Air Slash
    TM89 U-turn
    TM90 Substitute
    HM02 Fly
    HM05 Defog
    HM06 Rock Smash

    (Current) Tutor Moves:
    Note: Using HGSS move tutor system. Some of these will change due to redundancies with new TMs and whatnot.
    * indicates additions

    Air Cutter
    Ancientpower
    *Earth Power
    *Endeavor
    Heat Wave
    Mud-Slap
    Ominous Wind
    Sky Attack
    *Superpower
    Snore
    Swift
    Tailwind
    Twister

    Justifications:

    This will have a lot of explanations to do. While Moltres is very effective and a scary monster right now, we all look at that 100 attack and wonder if Gamefreak just put it there for show or it is just trolling (since most Fire types had high attack rating back in Gen I but had nothing to abuse it with). Moltres was always shown as the most powerful of the three birds, but Zapdos was always the most efficient competitively due to circumstances. I'm not even sure if that is the way they intended it to be. Anyways, the new Moltres will be a lot more versatile than ever before, by being an efficient wallbreaker and finally having moves to utilise that 100 base attack power that is not named Sky Attack. Interesting choices include STAB Flare Blitz and even the new Brave Bird to boot! Superpower, though I was a bit iffy about it at first, seems to have many implications such as fighting that pink blob one on one. Many of the newer birds like Honchkrow and Staraptor seem to get similar moves anyways, so why does this legendary bird not get it? I'm still VERY iffy about Swords Dance, so I think I'll drop it because it might just break Moltres. However, keep in mind 100 base attack isn't as nearly as impressive as I make it sound, but at least give Moltres a way to go mixed or use its 100 attack in some way without making it feeling envious of Zapdos for getting that 100 in the right place!

    Since Moltres comes from the volcano, I only thought Rock Slide and Earth Power would be appropriate moves for Moltres, making it even more dangerous than before. Then we also have Taunt and Torment, which allows Moltres to completely break stall, allowing for interesting Taunt sets. However, Moltres's speed of 90 is not enough for some things, like Gliscors that are faster. Endeavor is there only because it learns Endure naturally, but it really does not take much advantage of it. It would be useful if Moltres had a priority attack to abuse it with, but I don't see that happening. I just hope I did not break it. Well, it will still go down like a cinderblocks should it remain out in battle long enough, but Moltres does have the right to be extremely dangerous anyhow. Things like Typhlosion and Charizard (no offence even though I love them) should not be as powerful as Moltres. Focus Blast for the lulz, but why not? Positive energies; Fire and Electric. They just love making stuff embody a certain element and leave it that way, but Moltres is more than that, and this change should prove its flames are more than the meets the eye.

    Gen V Additions: Wild Charge! Hey, all the other fires not named Entei gets it, so why not? Work Up should be available for Moltres as a crazy set upper I think. Flame Charge will be very useful, but Moltres might not be able to find a slot for it.


    So again, what are your ideas on improving some Pokemon competitively without completely breaking them?
    Last edited by wraith89; Jun 30th, 2013 at 09:59 AM.
    Project Pokemon is:
    Spoiler

    -----Fellowship----
    Gin: Yo

    -----Laughter-----
    CuleX: TEE HEE

    -----Fame---------
    Shining Mew2: Just put me on your sig >_<

    -----Love----------
    0660: I love you.

    -----Anger---------
    Mewtwo EX: DIE FAT AMERICAN!
    Mewtwo EX: DIE!!!!
    Mewtwo EX: Too much chicken?

    -----Pee Pee--------
    Guested: ha ha
    Guested: pee pee

    -----Evil Villains--------
    damio: I knew I was evil too

    -----Friends----------
    Greencat: So like, I was in the neighborhood and wanted to say hi. So.. um... HI!

    -----Excitement----------
    ParaDoX65: Yup, It's sure going to be exciting.

    -----He's not done--------
    pokemonfan: I'm not done blabbering....

    -----Requests----------
    UnderXRay: will be ready in a few minutes, i will pm you on when to come to the club.

    -----Jokes------------
    Ziz: Drunk lol. Only kidding.

    -----I'm who?------------
    Zmaster: you're definitely Smogon ._.

    ------Reward------------
    FLOOTENKERP: ZOMG Wraith, I finally was awarded for my hard work! Wraith, I got the event contrib badge!

    ------Good Lucks----------
    Phreen: Oh, so its your first year in college, well best of luck to you, hope you find what you want.

    -----Denial----------
    Renegadeshroom: I refuse to accept that you have green hair!

    ----Because He Asked For It
    COBHC: You think you are old enough to quit on pkm? Well I think you sucked enough at it

    ----Russians--------
    SilentFox: Спасибо большое

    -----Hygiene Problems--------
    Fallen: You haven't showered in two days!?! That's gross. MetaGROSS should be your favorite Pokémon..

    -----Conspiracy----
    Randomspot555: Smogon isn't "attacking your creativity." They don't have elite squads of ninjas kidnapping you and forcing you to use Scizor.

    ------Owned by SCV------
    SCV: what you eat live rattatas?

    -----Philosophy----
    Tbird: If a naked man trolls some animals in the woods and no one is there to witness it, did a naked man troll animals in the woods?

    -----Fart...-----
    Wraith89: Fart

    ----------------------
    Together... we make Project Pokemon. Never forget all the good times we have had everyone!
    (If I forgot someone or if anyone wants a quote change, please let me know!)

    Important Links
    PP Rules / FAQ / Inquiries / NO CHEATING / BBTags Guide / Anonymous BBS
    Guides I Have Written
    Competitive Battling Basics / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Movesets / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Battles / Gen IV Ability ID
    My Competitive Teams
    Divine Rights (Gen V) / Prometheus (Gen V) / Gloria in Excelsis (Gen IV) / Samson Agonistes (Gen IV) / Team Megaman (Gen IV) / The Misfits (Gen V)

  2. #2

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    For this Pokemon:
    Spoiler
    01 Tail Whip
    01 Tackle
    01 Helping Hand
    08 Sand-Attack
    15 Pursuit
    22 Quick Attack
    29 Confuse Ray
    36 Faint Attack
    43 Foul Play
    50 Last Resort
    57 Mean Look
    64 Screech
    71 Moonlight
    78 Guard Swap
    85 Dark Void

    Abilities:
    Synchronize (If statused, foe gets afflicted with same condition)
    Magic Guard (Immune to indirect damage)

    TM Learnset:
    06 Toxic
    10 Hidden Power
    11 Sunny Day
    12 Taunt
    15 Hyper Beam
    17 Protect
    18 Rain Dance
    21 Frustration
    27 Return
    28 Dig
    29 Psychic
    30 Shadow Ball
    32 Double Team
    41 Torment
    42 Facade
    44 Rest
    45 Attract
    48 Round
    49 Echoed Voice
    66 Payback
    67 Retaliate
    68 Giga Impact
    70 Flash
    77 Psych Up
    83 Work Up
    85 Dream Eater
    87 Swagger
    90 Substitute
    95 Snarl
    H1 Cut

    Justifications:
    Umbreon really got axed this generation with the nerf of Mean Look + Baton Pass, which was his only real seller in 4th generation (in fact, it's really the only selling point he's ever had). To make up for that miserable fate, I've proposed this new idea that Umbreon become one of the most annoying walls in the game.

    First, the addition of Foul Play works well against high-attack Pokemon (especially Gyarados, Salamence, and Haxorus, all of whom would take a nasty toll from this used against them). It still has some usage against other Pokemon too, considering most things in OU have a higher Attack stat than Umbreon, but most of them tend to have a resistance to Dark, so that's not too broken, methinks.

    Next, Dark Void. Now, what about this thing? Well, practically everything and its mother that used to be Uber-exclusive way back when has been brought down to the Standard scene, so this gives Umbreon a way of crippling Scizor and Conkeldurr with a Sleep-inducing move, thereby allowing Umbreon a chance to continue walling things or switch to Reuniclus, Volcarona, Ninetales, or something to take care of said Pokemon.

    Magic Guard is also there so Umbreon doesn't need to worry about hazards or damage from Toxic, Burn, Leech Seed, etc., which would give Umbreon a huge leg up on things that rely on said moves to do any kind of damage to the foe.

  3. #3
    Emperor of the Originals Helpful Q&A MemberSuper Moderator wraith89's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    朝鮮
    Posts
    3,080

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    Foul Play ftw. Someone who can actually use this properly would indeed be Umbreon (I found little use on other Pokemon with this). Hmmm I would have imagined Umbreon with Hypnosis more so than Dark Void... because Dark Void is Darkrai's specialty. (What Uber-exclusive attack was passed down to regulars might I ask?) Umbreon isn't known to cause Nightmares and stuff, though I wish Cresselia had something negating that or something, but she does not. I like the idea of Magic Guard though, seeing how Espeon got Magic Bounce, Umbreon should get its opposite. Though, that's a little scary because of Umbreon's monster defences. That ability (Magic Bounce) is too broken anyhow; it allows Espeon and Xatu to mess up certain Dark Pokemon like Umbreon and Mandibuzz. Great job!
    Project Pokemon is:
    Spoiler

    -----Fellowship----
    Gin: Yo

    -----Laughter-----
    CuleX: TEE HEE

    -----Fame---------
    Shining Mew2: Just put me on your sig >_<

    -----Love----------
    0660: I love you.

    -----Anger---------
    Mewtwo EX: DIE FAT AMERICAN!
    Mewtwo EX: DIE!!!!
    Mewtwo EX: Too much chicken?

    -----Pee Pee--------
    Guested: ha ha
    Guested: pee pee

    -----Evil Villains--------
    damio: I knew I was evil too

    -----Friends----------
    Greencat: So like, I was in the neighborhood and wanted to say hi. So.. um... HI!

    -----Excitement----------
    ParaDoX65: Yup, It's sure going to be exciting.

    -----He's not done--------
    pokemonfan: I'm not done blabbering....

    -----Requests----------
    UnderXRay: will be ready in a few minutes, i will pm you on when to come to the club.

    -----Jokes------------
    Ziz: Drunk lol. Only kidding.

    -----I'm who?------------
    Zmaster: you're definitely Smogon ._.

    ------Reward------------
    FLOOTENKERP: ZOMG Wraith, I finally was awarded for my hard work! Wraith, I got the event contrib badge!

    ------Good Lucks----------
    Phreen: Oh, so its your first year in college, well best of luck to you, hope you find what you want.

    -----Denial----------
    Renegadeshroom: I refuse to accept that you have green hair!

    ----Because He Asked For It
    COBHC: You think you are old enough to quit on pkm? Well I think you sucked enough at it

    ----Russians--------
    SilentFox: Спасибо большое

    -----Hygiene Problems--------
    Fallen: You haven't showered in two days!?! That's gross. MetaGROSS should be your favorite Pokémon..

    -----Conspiracy----
    Randomspot555: Smogon isn't "attacking your creativity." They don't have elite squads of ninjas kidnapping you and forcing you to use Scizor.

    ------Owned by SCV------
    SCV: what you eat live rattatas?

    -----Philosophy----
    Tbird: If a naked man trolls some animals in the woods and no one is there to witness it, did a naked man troll animals in the woods?

    -----Fart...-----
    Wraith89: Fart

    ----------------------
    Together... we make Project Pokemon. Never forget all the good times we have had everyone!
    (If I forgot someone or if anyone wants a quote change, please let me know!)

    Important Links
    PP Rules / FAQ / Inquiries / NO CHEATING / BBTags Guide / Anonymous BBS
    Guides I Have Written
    Competitive Battling Basics / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Movesets / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Battles / Gen IV Ability ID
    My Competitive Teams
    Divine Rights (Gen V) / Prometheus (Gen V) / Gloria in Excelsis (Gen IV) / Samson Agonistes (Gen IV) / Team Megaman (Gen IV) / The Misfits (Gen V)

  4. #4

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    Well, what convinced me Dark Void would be appropriate was this dex entry:
    When darkness falls, the rings on its body begin to glow, striking fear into the hearts of anyone nearby.
    Although certainly the fact that its rings "glow" doesn't exactly make for total darkness. But certainly if Umbreon can cause nightmares, it would clearly be that way.

  5. #5
    Emperor of the Originals Helpful Q&A MemberSuper Moderator wraith89's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    朝鮮
    Posts
    3,080

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    It is true though that Umbreon (and Espeon) were able to learn Nightmare via TM50 in Gen II though. The only problem I have with Dark Void is that it is actually representative of a Black Hole or something of that sort (minus the physics of never returning) and when Darkrai used it in the anime, it was more like throwing an orb of purple stuff and anything that got sucked in went to sleep.

    I wish I could edit some Pokemon's base stats, but they're pretty permanent.
    *Stares at Onix who has lower HP and Attack than a Phanpy*
    Project Pokemon is:
    Spoiler

    -----Fellowship----
    Gin: Yo

    -----Laughter-----
    CuleX: TEE HEE

    -----Fame---------
    Shining Mew2: Just put me on your sig >_<

    -----Love----------
    0660: I love you.

    -----Anger---------
    Mewtwo EX: DIE FAT AMERICAN!
    Mewtwo EX: DIE!!!!
    Mewtwo EX: Too much chicken?

    -----Pee Pee--------
    Guested: ha ha
    Guested: pee pee

    -----Evil Villains--------
    damio: I knew I was evil too

    -----Friends----------
    Greencat: So like, I was in the neighborhood and wanted to say hi. So.. um... HI!

    -----Excitement----------
    ParaDoX65: Yup, It's sure going to be exciting.

    -----He's not done--------
    pokemonfan: I'm not done blabbering....

    -----Requests----------
    UnderXRay: will be ready in a few minutes, i will pm you on when to come to the club.

    -----Jokes------------
    Ziz: Drunk lol. Only kidding.

    -----I'm who?------------
    Zmaster: you're definitely Smogon ._.

    ------Reward------------
    FLOOTENKERP: ZOMG Wraith, I finally was awarded for my hard work! Wraith, I got the event contrib badge!

    ------Good Lucks----------
    Phreen: Oh, so its your first year in college, well best of luck to you, hope you find what you want.

    -----Denial----------
    Renegadeshroom: I refuse to accept that you have green hair!

    ----Because He Asked For It
    COBHC: You think you are old enough to quit on pkm? Well I think you sucked enough at it

    ----Russians--------
    SilentFox: Спасибо большое

    -----Hygiene Problems--------
    Fallen: You haven't showered in two days!?! That's gross. MetaGROSS should be your favorite Pokémon..

    -----Conspiracy----
    Randomspot555: Smogon isn't "attacking your creativity." They don't have elite squads of ninjas kidnapping you and forcing you to use Scizor.

    ------Owned by SCV------
    SCV: what you eat live rattatas?

    -----Philosophy----
    Tbird: If a naked man trolls some animals in the woods and no one is there to witness it, did a naked man troll animals in the woods?

    -----Fart...-----
    Wraith89: Fart

    ----------------------
    Together... we make Project Pokemon. Never forget all the good times we have had everyone!
    (If I forgot someone or if anyone wants a quote change, please let me know!)

    Important Links
    PP Rules / FAQ / Inquiries / NO CHEATING / BBTags Guide / Anonymous BBS
    Guides I Have Written
    Competitive Battling Basics / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Movesets / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Battles / Gen IV Ability ID
    My Competitive Teams
    Divine Rights (Gen V) / Prometheus (Gen V) / Gloria in Excelsis (Gen IV) / Samson Agonistes (Gen IV) / Team Megaman (Gen IV) / The Misfits (Gen V)

  6. #6

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    Yeah, I guess Dark Void is out of place on Umbreon. Maybe Hypnosis instead. Foul Play certainly fits him better than any other current user; Krookodile and Zoroark should use their own Attack stats rather than relying on the opponent's.

    Got another one here:
    Spoiler
    01 Nasty Plot
    01 Safeguard
    01 Ember
    01 Confuse Ray
    01 Quick Attack
    45 Morning Sun

    Yep. Just one addition, but it's a pretty significant one; Ninetales doesn't have any reliable healing options aside from Rest for it to use (with Drought, anyway). Morning Sun doesn't exactly do well under Sand or Rain, but if Ninetales can get the weather under its firm control, Morning Sun allows it to keep going long into the match (especially when you're using a Life Orb for sheer damage). It isn't overly broken, either, since Ninetales doesn't exactly have the best Defenses.

  7. #7
    Emperor of the Originals Helpful Q&A MemberSuper Moderator wraith89's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    朝鮮
    Posts
    3,080

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    Interesting. I did not think of that. Not only does Ninetales have Drought to abuse Morning Sun, but her friend Arcanine also gets it. It sounds interesting, and Moltres from Pokemon XD also received it with sun abuse in mind. I was thinking of Ninetales with Shadow Ball, though it's not because it helps her but more so because she's like those fox with ghost-like capabilities.


    Spoiler



    Piplup

    1 Pound
    4 Growl
    8 Bubble
    11 Water Sport
    15 Peck
    18 Bubblebeam
    22 Bide
    25 Fury Attack
    29 Brine
    32 Whirlpool
    36 Mist
    39 Drill Peck
    43 Hydro Pump


    Prinplup

    1 Tackle
    4 Growl
    8 Bubble
    11 Water Sport
    15 Peck
    16 Metal Claw
    19 Bubblebeam
    24 Bide
    28 Fury Attack
    33 Brine
    37 Whirlpool
    42 Mist
    46 Drill Peck
    51 Hydro Pump


    Empoleon

    1 Ice Shard
    1 Shadow Claw
    1 Air Slash
    1 Tackle
    4 Growl
    8 Bubble
    11 Swords Dance
    15 Aerial Ace
    16 Metal Claw
    19 Bubblebeam
    24 Swagger
    28 Guillotine
    33 Brine
    36 Aqua Jet
    39 Flash Cannon
    46 Autotomise
    52 Ice Beam
    59 Avalanche
    64 Hydro Pump

    Hereditary Moves

    Agility
    Aqua Ring
    Bide
    Brave Bird*
    Double Hit
    Featherdance
    Flail
    Hydro Pump
    Icy Wind
    Mud-Slap
    Mud Sport
    Recover*
    Refresh*
    Snore
    Supersonic
    Yawn



    Didn't do much (in fact did nothing at all) except change their level up moves... because Torterra and Infernape get awesome level up moves as they progress, but Empoleon got mega trolled. This might make playing through Empoleon a bit easier without the aid of TMs/HMs (though Surf is a requirement and you know it!). Since Empoleon's a penguin, it is going to learn a lot of Ice moves naturally... or at least it should.

    Oh right, the thread is about competitive battling. I just added Autotomise for fun because it lowers Grass Knot and Low Kick's damage output vs the penguin (the latter is super effective) along with combining Agility's effect! Besides, this would mean Empoleon sheds some unnecessary part of its body... erm, maybe its metal plating on its flippers or something. God knows what everything else is shedding when they use Autotomise anyhow. I'm contemplating Air Slash and Earth Power someplace maybe as hereditary move or something... Ice Shard is an alternative priority move to Aqua Jet, though neither of the two ever sees use. Guillotine is for fun because it's Empoleon, based off Napoleon, who didn't really use the guillotine, but the era in France that preceded him did employ it. Recover and Refresh are a bit tempting to put in as hereditary moves or something. After all, this guy's resistances are plenty, though his three weaknesses are INCREDIBLY common, which is a major turn-off. Brave Bird is for the lulz, since Blaziken got it, and I see Empoleon on a suicidal dive towards its foes quite often. Not like anyone will use a physical Empoleon...
    Project Pokemon is:
    Spoiler

    -----Fellowship----
    Gin: Yo

    -----Laughter-----
    CuleX: TEE HEE

    -----Fame---------
    Shining Mew2: Just put me on your sig >_<

    -----Love----------
    0660: I love you.

    -----Anger---------
    Mewtwo EX: DIE FAT AMERICAN!
    Mewtwo EX: DIE!!!!
    Mewtwo EX: Too much chicken?

    -----Pee Pee--------
    Guested: ha ha
    Guested: pee pee

    -----Evil Villains--------
    damio: I knew I was evil too

    -----Friends----------
    Greencat: So like, I was in the neighborhood and wanted to say hi. So.. um... HI!

    -----Excitement----------
    ParaDoX65: Yup, It's sure going to be exciting.

    -----He's not done--------
    pokemonfan: I'm not done blabbering....

    -----Requests----------
    UnderXRay: will be ready in a few minutes, i will pm you on when to come to the club.

    -----Jokes------------
    Ziz: Drunk lol. Only kidding.

    -----I'm who?------------
    Zmaster: you're definitely Smogon ._.

    ------Reward------------
    FLOOTENKERP: ZOMG Wraith, I finally was awarded for my hard work! Wraith, I got the event contrib badge!

    ------Good Lucks----------
    Phreen: Oh, so its your first year in college, well best of luck to you, hope you find what you want.

    -----Denial----------
    Renegadeshroom: I refuse to accept that you have green hair!

    ----Because He Asked For It
    COBHC: You think you are old enough to quit on pkm? Well I think you sucked enough at it

    ----Russians--------
    SilentFox: Спасибо большое

    -----Hygiene Problems--------
    Fallen: You haven't showered in two days!?! That's gross. MetaGROSS should be your favorite Pokémon..

    -----Conspiracy----
    Randomspot555: Smogon isn't "attacking your creativity." They don't have elite squads of ninjas kidnapping you and forcing you to use Scizor.

    ------Owned by SCV------
    SCV: what you eat live rattatas?

    -----Philosophy----
    Tbird: If a naked man trolls some animals in the woods and no one is there to witness it, did a naked man troll animals in the woods?

    -----Fart...-----
    Wraith89: Fart

    ----------------------
    Together... we make Project Pokemon. Never forget all the good times we have had everyone!
    (If I forgot someone or if anyone wants a quote change, please let me know!)

    Important Links
    PP Rules / FAQ / Inquiries / NO CHEATING / BBTags Guide / Anonymous BBS
    Guides I Have Written
    Competitive Battling Basics / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Movesets / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Battles / Gen IV Ability ID
    My Competitive Teams
    Divine Rights (Gen V) / Prometheus (Gen V) / Gloria in Excelsis (Gen IV) / Samson Agonistes (Gen IV) / Team Megaman (Gen IV) / The Misfits (Gen V)

  8. #8

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    Empoleon tobogganing into an opponent as a battle move sounds wickedly cool.

    Here's another:
    Spoiler


    New typing: Bug/Dragon

    New Stats: 84/105/80/45/80/126

    Movepool Changes/Additions:
    73 Speed Bug*

    TM/HM:
    62 Acrobatics

    *Speed Bug (New signature move; maybe needs a better title): Bug-type version of Sucker Punch (80 Power, 100 Accuracy, +1 Priority, fails if foe not intending to do damage that turn)

    Flygon's existence has been largely ignored in this generation's shift, and he is now one of a growing number of Pokemon that have gotten consistently less useful over the course of time (others in this list include Tauros, Umbreon, Milotic, Claydol, Snorlax, and Jynx). I don't care what anyone says, but Flygon being added to this list is a complete travesty, and his awesomeness MUST be preserved. Although it's certainly unlikely that we're going to be able to change his typing (let alone his stats), if they could be changed, these are how I would change them. This way, he has a bit more attack power and enough Speed to troll on Weavile.

    Speed Bug is for similar reasons; it's a Bug-type priority move that allows it to deal with Weavile in modern UU, and give significant beatings to Tyranitar, Reuniclus, and Alakazam in OU. Acrobatics allows him to hit Conkeldurr and other Fighters.

    I'd have also given Flygon Magic Guard, but decided not to, as that would make him REALLY broken, much more so than Umbreon would be.

  9. #9
    Rational Optimist Lorshinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Canada
    Age
    19
    Posts
    115

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    Here's the pokemon I chose...

    Pokemon #1
    Spoiler



    Originally on my hated list, Emboar now is one of my more beloved Pokemon, as I grew to love it's design. Aside from my personal liking to it however, Emboar is plagued with problems. A lackluster move pool and poor level-up moves, and a lack of any defence to back up it's high HP, there's really not much reason to use it over Infernape or Blaziken. Here's some of the things I considered:

    I put a * by the things changed...

    1 Ember
    1 Hammer Arm
    1 Odor Sleuth
    1 Tackle
    1 Tail Whip
    3 Tail Whip
    7 Ember
    9 Odor Sleuth
    13 Defense Curl
    15 Flame Charge
    17 Arm Thrust
    18 Bite*
    20 Chip Away*
    23 Rollout
    28 Take Down
    31 Heat Crash
    38 Assurance
    40 Fire Punch*
    43 Flamethrower
    47 Drain Punch*
    50 Head Smash
    55 Roar
    62 Crunch*
    65 Flare Blitz

    Here's what I considered for level-up moves:

    The order is debatable as I didn't give it much thought, but it was primarily to give it certain moves. Here are my justifications:

    Bite - Bite is not a very powerful move, so it's purpose competitively is minimal. Otherwise, it is an early, yet effective, move for Tepig/Pignite to learn while they travel and train throughout Unova with the trainer. It could be used after some bulk ups, but otherwise, it's not a very strong move, so using it only while playing through the story is advised.

    Chip Away - Very questionable indeed, but gives Emboar a neat attack to use after he sets up shop with bulk up or whatever. Since it has no STAB, it's less useful than the likes of storm throw, but that move is unique to Throh. Chip Away allows him, however, to pinpoint a weakness and hit hard after a good bulk-up battle in particular. Either way, it definitely beats smog, which is a move no sane person would use competitively or in the field.

    Fire Punch - Black POKEDEX: "It can throw a fire punch by setting its fists on fire with its fiery chin." No it can't! This is mainly just an issue about the canon, as most people would probably choose the almighty flare blitz over this move, especially with it's DW ability reckless, but it's a bit odd that it's pokedex states that it can use fire punch, whereas in game it cannot. It's a safer alternative for those worry warts out there, and provides Emboar with a move that is efficient and reliable. Most importantly, however, it is not really wise to state something it can't do on the Pokedex. I'm certain Emboar isn't the only one, but it's still ridiculous, considering his already small-ish movepool.

    Drain Punch - Perhaps one of my more desired moves, I once thought of a set with Bulk up/Flame Charge/Drain Punch/Filler, but unfortunately, it cannot learn that move. Why? You get pokemon that really do not need the move due to their extreme power, or others which are already very frail or get an ability that allows them to heal when they switch, but you leave the slow, lumbering pig with arm thrust? Screw you. Aside from that, Emboar kind of needs this move. His only two worthwhile fighting moves are hammer arm, which is inaccurate, and super power, which weakens him. I mean seriously? I suppose that Emboar is supposed to be about risks, but a plethora of pokemon can learn this move, and because it's no longer a TM this guy can't be one of them? I find that really stupid. Battle wise, although it's not too strong, it would certainly be a lovely addition, and would only reinforce Emboar's "bulky fire starter" gimmick.

    Crunch - Pigs are nasty. Boars are nastier. Emboar's nastiest. Boars bite. And Emboars don't bite, they crunch you up! (I at least wish they did). Considering his already mediocre bulk and poor speed, I didn't think this move would be illegal. Emboar can already learn some interesting moves, such as Scald and Wild Charge, so I think Crunch wouldn't be too far from the group. Crunch would be an amazing move, and with flame charge, it would allow him to counter some pesky psychic types who previously could outrun him, or just deal a lot of damage to them. It would also help against ghosts as well. Aside from that, it clearly wouldn't break Emboar, as usually you would have Emboar retreat if it spotted a psychic type. It certainly wouldn't take out Slowbro, unless you set up. All in all, I think this move, while it would really help Emboar, it would not break it by any means, it would just give it better coverage.

    Egg move/Tutor move:

    Zen Headbutt - Yeah, I'm getting a little crazy with these, but seriously, Rampardos got it, some other pokemon get it, and I find Emboar could've used it too. While it certainly doesn't give it the "calm" vibe, it certainly would make sense due to it's "slam" nature (Head Smash, Body Slam, heavy moves here). It would also allow Emboar to fight other fighting types with a move for coverage. It's not strong and perhaps not recommended, as wild charge would take it's place, perhaps. However, it would be neat, and definitely give Emboar more options.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Although I'm probably going a little deeper, I also wouldn't mind his base stats changing, but not by a whole lot.

    HP: 110
    ATK: 123
    DEF: 85*
    SP ATK: 75*
    DEF: 65
    SPD: 65

    Reasons: The Tepig family was highly anticipated before the game was launched as being a bulky fire starter, but all we got was a slightly tougher yet still somewhat frail pokemon with very high attack, but with only above average special attack. If Emboar was given more defence to compensate, it would become the "bulky" starter. It's not too bulky, still, but it's definitely going to take a few hits, and with bulk up, it'll become a monster on the battlefield. However, Emboar, like most pokemon, have a weakness, which is obviously his special defence. He cannot increase his special defence, which is a plus for balance. Overall, I do not think that Emboar, with all of these changes, would be anywhere near broken, but it would make him very effective. He's not too slow either, for a bulk, so that's neat. Also, despite special attack being lowered, it's not terrible, and with fire blast it could still hurt. However, Emboar I find would've been the perfect example of a dedicated fire starter (dedicated to attack), and he would have the moves and attack to back him up.

    I think Emboar should've been the pain train out of the fire starters, slow but strong and tough, with good coverage. Considering the already beast fighting types we have out there, I don't think Emboar would still break into the OU tiers. Considering his low special defence, walls like Slowbro will still take a crunch (they can survive a Durant's X-Scissor), and easily counter it. It'll still have walls, walls which are still in the UU environment. However, I really hoped Emboar would be the fire starter which would've stood out. It does, but not for good reasons...

    Thoughts?
    Last edited by Lorshinator; Mar 4th, 2012 at 01:05 PM. Reason: wasn't done, it automatically went' blagrh
    "Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on it's ability to climb a tree, it will live it's whole life believing that it is stupid." - Albert Einstein.

    I have a deviantArt Page, but my works have yet to appear. Stay tuned if you're interested!


  10. #10
    Hoppip! Klaatu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    currently: Planet Earth
    Age
    24
    Posts
    186

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    I see Tail Glow for Articuno in the first post... Long ago I have been wondering why on earth Ampharos, whos tail works as a lighthouse, never got that. Then I found out its japanese name is along the lines of Firefly Light....


    First thing I'd insist on if I was anywhere near Gamefreak would be adjusting something much more basic than individual pokemon:

    "Summary of the changes and reasoning:
    --Ice resistant to Water attacks
    Ice desperately lacks resistances
    --Steel weak to Electric attacks
    Steel is far to good even with this
    Electric is one of the few types, strong only against 2
    --Grass attacks neutral on Bug
    There's just too many types that resist Grass, and Bug is the only one where it's not a big deal
    --Ghost weak to Psychic attacks
    Why not? Ghost is the second best defensive type and Psychic could use a third advantage. Note they're strong both ways.
    --Poison attacksneutral on Ghost
    Ghost still defensively great
    With this Poison is only low against 3 types, still doing nothing to 1
    --Dark weak to Poison attacks
    Poison desperately needs more advantages than over Grass
    Dark can deal with another weakness
    --Normal weak to Poison attacks
    Another buff to Poison on the offense, still far from making it a great attack type, but Normal doesn't become crap, and besides, it makes lots of sense, at least to me.
    --Ice resistant to Ground attacks
    Ice still an awful type that cannot switch in on anything safely. This one would realy help. Ground is one of the 2 best offensive types anyway.
    --Ice resistant to Dragon attacks
    And with this Ice is finally on par with the other not so good defensive types (Grass & Psychic), while Dragon is still one of the better offensives.
    --Rock resistant to Rock attacks
    Rock is the other one of the best 2 offensive types, so if Ground gets a nerf, Rock should too.
    Rock could use this resistance well, especially this one as it lowers Stealth Rock damage. And it makes perfect sense to resist itself seeing that Steel does the same.
    --Grass attacks neutral on Flying
    this would finally take it out of the worst attacking type situation. Flying doesn't mind. Gyara...does, but hey xD

    What's left now that sticks out the most is:
    -On the defense, Grass, Psychic and Bug are now the worst defensively but not that bad
    -On the offense, it's as balanced as possible.
    -And Steel is still in it's own league, the superior defensive type.
    So essentially it's balanced, except for steel being the best type.

    I couldn't figure out changes that would address these without changing relations that just feel correct, so this wouldn't be perfect, but closer than the current chart. It would fix the main issues."


    This would even things out a bit.
    Just imagine, suddenly, "defensive" and "Ice type" can be used in the same sentence outside of jokes. Some could actually switch into Earthquakes o___O



    After that, I wouldn't mind if they took a look specifically at some of the older pokes again. There was too many hybrids statwise, Pidgeot, Nidos etc etc.. who are horribly outshadowed by current standards.
    But there is even some types that seem like obvious choices but simply aren't there:
    Golduck - Water / Psychic
    Gastly/Haunter/Gengar - Ghost / Dark (apart from not learning a single Poison move but tons of Dark ones, this line has been THE promoter of night-time exclusive encounter since GS. I'm sure that would have been it's type if it was released at a later time)
    Pinsir - Bug / Fight (It needs a purpose to live. I used one in HGSS because I felt sorry for it. And look at that moveset O_O)
    Gyarados - Water / Dragon
    Beartic - Ice / Fight (I still don't get it.)

    The following ones I don't feel as confident about:
    Ninetales - Fire / Psychic
    Milotic - Water / Dragon
    Seviper - Poison / Dark
    Banette - Ghost / Dark
    Huntail - Water / Dark
    Gorebyss - Water / Psychic
    Luxio/Luxray - Electric / Dark
    Gothita/Gothorita/Gothitelle - Psychic / Dark

    Oh dear, I did not intend to add Dark to everything e___e


    The third thing I would do if I was in charge..
    GIVE FLAREON ITS DAMN FLARE BLITZ. Like seriously lol.
    Welcome to the Myoto region! - My fakemon project =P
    ----
    Work, Family, Country...
    ...these are primitive precepts. Let's replace them with:
    Fulfillment, Freedom, Universal fraternity!
    rael.org

    Smile if you want to be happy =)

  11. #11
    The Guy that Guards... The Guarding Guard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Canada
    Age
    23
    Posts
    2

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    I'd make Ninjask and Serperior have more awesome stats. What exactly? I'm too lazy to calculate...

  12. #12
    Rational Optimist Lorshinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Canada
    Age
    19
    Posts
    115

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    Ninjask is decent enough, but I suppose that Serperior could have higher defences... Yeah I'm not sure either. I'll get back to you on that one. >.<
    Last edited by randomspot555; Apr 10th, 2012 at 01:18 PM.
    "Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on it's ability to climb a tree, it will live it's whole life believing that it is stupid." - Albert Einstein.

    I have a deviantArt Page, but my works have yet to appear. Stay tuned if you're interested!


  13. #13

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    yeah umbreon needs foul play that way you can breed it with an attack reducing nature and an attack IV of 0! btw for the love of god flareon and entei need flare blitz, especially flareon because of it's massive attack, and of course lets not not forget to give jolteon electro ball.

  14. #14
    Emperor of the Originals Helpful Q&A MemberSuper Moderator wraith89's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    朝鮮
    Posts
    3,080

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    @ Klaatu: I made that comment about Tail Glow as well. Even in Korean, it is called Firefly Glow.

    @ Leaf Dragoon: Entei received Flare Blitz via an event, but I still don't like that it is event exclusive. It also learned Extremespeed, Howl, and Crush Claw. Also, how is it that this little blue mudfish can provoke the earth to shake while Entei, the legendary beast embodiment of fire, cannot? I still do not understand how Entei is denied Earthquake! Entei would do well if they gave it the right physical moves, as Stone Edge alone is not enough to differentiate it from an uncommon yet ordinarily obtained Arcanine. I still don't believe Gamefreak for not properly adjusting legendaries. Just because they are of one element, does not mean they should completely be limited to that element! And yet they were perfectly okay lavishing away Heat Wave to Zapdos. I... just... cannot comprehend.

    Flareon with Flare Blitz, Jolteon with Electro Ball... that would be all mighty and swell, but what would Vaporeon learn naturally in that one extra slot they give for the Eeveelutions?
    Project Pokemon is:
    Spoiler

    -----Fellowship----
    Gin: Yo

    -----Laughter-----
    CuleX: TEE HEE

    -----Fame---------
    Shining Mew2: Just put me on your sig >_<

    -----Love----------
    0660: I love you.

    -----Anger---------
    Mewtwo EX: DIE FAT AMERICAN!
    Mewtwo EX: DIE!!!!
    Mewtwo EX: Too much chicken?

    -----Pee Pee--------
    Guested: ha ha
    Guested: pee pee

    -----Evil Villains--------
    damio: I knew I was evil too

    -----Friends----------
    Greencat: So like, I was in the neighborhood and wanted to say hi. So.. um... HI!

    -----Excitement----------
    ParaDoX65: Yup, It's sure going to be exciting.

    -----He's not done--------
    pokemonfan: I'm not done blabbering....

    -----Requests----------
    UnderXRay: will be ready in a few minutes, i will pm you on when to come to the club.

    -----Jokes------------
    Ziz: Drunk lol. Only kidding.

    -----I'm who?------------
    Zmaster: you're definitely Smogon ._.

    ------Reward------------
    FLOOTENKERP: ZOMG Wraith, I finally was awarded for my hard work! Wraith, I got the event contrib badge!

    ------Good Lucks----------
    Phreen: Oh, so its your first year in college, well best of luck to you, hope you find what you want.

    -----Denial----------
    Renegadeshroom: I refuse to accept that you have green hair!

    ----Because He Asked For It
    COBHC: You think you are old enough to quit on pkm? Well I think you sucked enough at it

    ----Russians--------
    SilentFox: Спасибо большое

    -----Hygiene Problems--------
    Fallen: You haven't showered in two days!?! That's gross. MetaGROSS should be your favorite Pokémon..

    -----Conspiracy----
    Randomspot555: Smogon isn't "attacking your creativity." They don't have elite squads of ninjas kidnapping you and forcing you to use Scizor.

    ------Owned by SCV------
    SCV: what you eat live rattatas?

    -----Philosophy----
    Tbird: If a naked man trolls some animals in the woods and no one is there to witness it, did a naked man troll animals in the woods?

    -----Fart...-----
    Wraith89: Fart

    ----------------------
    Together... we make Project Pokemon. Never forget all the good times we have had everyone!
    (If I forgot someone or if anyone wants a quote change, please let me know!)

    Important Links
    PP Rules / FAQ / Inquiries / NO CHEATING / BBTags Guide / Anonymous BBS
    Guides I Have Written
    Competitive Battling Basics / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Movesets / Pokemon Black and White In-Game Battles / Gen IV Ability ID
    My Competitive Teams
    Divine Rights (Gen V) / Prometheus (Gen V) / Gloria in Excelsis (Gen IV) / Samson Agonistes (Gen IV) / Team Megaman (Gen IV) / The Misfits (Gen V)

  15. #15

    Re: How Would You Improve Some Pokemon (Competitively)?

    Absol:
    A long time favorite of mine, Absol is a failure now. Shes pretty awesome because she rewards good decision making very heavily- you can sweep almost any teamm with good prediction, but shes 100% useless the minute you screw up But fixing her is ezpz: move her base defense stats from 65/60/60 to 85/80/80 and add a secondry typing of either ghost or steel to allow ez switchins and less punishing set up.

Page 1 of 7 12345 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •