Seriously! (moved)

[Nigoli]

Well jeez. I wonder where NeoSeeker and other places get Events from and where they originate... I've been looking at this thread for a while now. And I think it's time I've posted my thoughts about what I believe.

Concerning "DLC" and Events: This has been discussed on the Forums before, and while I do sympathize with this a little bit. I don't think it's wrong, especially if it's being saved on the Save File, it's not something that's Generation 3 where it couldn't be saved. If Nintendo really wanted to, they wouldn't be allowing people to download Wonder Cards via their retail games for generating. You could argue that it wasn't meant to be distributed again, unlike the Secret Key on Platinum. But it's really not any better than hosting the Event on a GTS or doing a Wi-Fi Trade. And if you want worse than that, go look on eBay if you want to see people selling Events for money. I've personally always liked Wonder Cards, at least it's different everytime you acquire the given present if inserted right from the original data. You never know what you're going to get in a trade, mind you.

Concerning 0 Day Japanese Events: While people do go out grab these Events. It's really not my fault or anyone else how instant they might be or not. It's troubling sometimes to know what's right with different Events, such as the Trade for Evolution! Events, or that Sing Pikachu. These are the only two Events I've failed with either not knowing that the Card ID was a faulty one, or something that I didn't catch before, like a space at the end of the OT for generating purposes. And like I've stated around 2009ish when I started wanting to contribute to this site (was a fan of Pkmdb and this site around 2008ish). I literately stay up all night, looking around for things like Events and now Distribution Text for Generation V. There's also been times where I've looked around for Events for days at a time and even then there's still Events that are missing.

It's a pleasure to contribute anything here. Most people around here have been nice over the years I've been here. No, I'm not a Staff Member and maybe people would take me a little bit more seriously if I was. I want to help because it's what I'm choosing to do. If it weren't for people maintaining Events in the past. I wouldn't be able to enjoy those older Events like those Movie ones or whatnot back then when I was just a fan. I wouldn't be a contributing if it weren't for that.

I know there's still people that respect what I do and I know who you are. I, absolutely won't quit. And I don't care what other site maintainers gaining something off of this Forum think of me, if it's hot linking and stealing watermarked images or whatnot. Getting things out for fans are a first in my priorities.

I'm trying my best. My only advice is try to understand what we're trying to do for our community. If you dislike it, then there's always other places to go to, Right? Just so people know, I'm not going to waste time with people repeating their selves. I'm also not going to repeat myself. It seems like a situation where it's what you believe in or a complaint of what we're doing, IMO.

[Bartman]

So I have been part of a certain private Japanese mailing list for years and this can no longer be a coincidence.

Nigoli, you always upload the very same events just a few hours after a new event has been contributed to our private mailing list. It is obviously not YOU who put efforts in obtaining the events, it's different people who try to keep the events in a small group of collectors, not to be shared with the global public.

This has been going on for years and even the latest Birthday Audino from Tohoku appeared here on Project Pokemon the same day it was finally collected by us.

"If you want to thank me for my Contributions"...
You really should stop adorning yourself with borrowed plumes and taking all the false credit.

[Guested]

For the record, I get a lot of the Japanese events in person myself. And Nigoli isn't sneaking the ones he gets from some private community, he gets them from public sources. I don't know if someone from your mailing list is "leaking" them out, but I'm pretty dang sure they aren't the only ones who get their hands on the events and put them online.

I haven't closed this thread because I think it's fine to talk about this. But obviously not everyone agrees, so I'd like to remind certain users to keep the flaming and/or trolling down or this WILL get shut down.
The whole "not agreeing" thing could lead to this discussion going on forever, so I think everyone should keep that in mind as well. Not everyone is going to agree with everyone.

What we do here is not going to stop events. Regardless of what we do here, people will still go events. Those five year olds will still get their events and what we do here does not devalue that experience or their Pokemon. People will still spend money at events, and people will still NOT spend money at events (sometimes I pick something up at the Pokemon Center, sometimes I just get my Pokemon and go home).

DW events are beside the point here, so Lucario does not apply to this conversation. DW events are not hosted in the Gallery and I have never posted or shared any from my personal collection that required a purchase. But in MY opinion... if you ever buy something JUST to get the event, I would suggest that you rethink your purchase.

Interesting information for thought:
I was looking through the Gallery statistics, and two of the most consistently downloaded files are the Liberty Ticket and the Manaphy Egg.
Those are two events that have long since passed, but merely activate in-game content. Do you think people should be forever denied access to those two items? Using these WC files is really no different than a Gameshark(etc) code that activates that event.
Furthermore, in that line of thinking, one could essentially argue that ALL Wondercards are basically the same as a Gameshark code. No event yet has ever introduced data to a game that was not already present in it. It's just an arrangement of data.

[GunblazeGriffin]

I'd like to open with a big to Nigoli. Keep on keeping on! It's appreciated! (Oh, and feel free to slip your mole in the mailing list some extra cash on my behalf as well...teehee )

Now:

I mean get an event but is collecting and trading online is it really worth it??

I'm honestly confused. So, you're saying we shouldn't value these as being anything special worth wasting our time and effort on, yet you come on here to claim that we are devaluing them my making them readily available? How can you devalue something which, as you claim, isn't worth our time to begin with?

As for Nintendo stopping events, Bond is right, by the way. It's a lie. I'm willing to bet not as many people know about PP.org as you might be envisioning, and fewer even know what to do with the files. As for your precious event trader communities, do they trade away clones or the exact event Pokemon? I'm assuming any (smart) trader would always keep a backup...otherwise their supply runs up. If they trade events, why would they part with the only thing of "value" they have? The answer is: they don't. They most likely clone. They store files...er, sorry, Pokemon, just like we do, which is to say they take the source wondercard and do what they want with it. Some people hog them and selfishly lord them over other players who obviously can't trade anything close enough to match its "worth", while others (like me) just give them away. My motto has always been that if I can help someone get a Pokemon they really want, I'll do it. Save it, trade it, use it, whatever...if you want it, and I can help you get it, I will.

Communities like you're making Neoseeker out to be just upset me. It's stupid as hell to just dangle "valuable" Pokemon in front of people like you would a string to a cat and make them jump for it. When I came back to Pokemon in SoulSilver, I explored some of these places and thought "There's no way I can ever match what these people want." Once I learned how to RNG, though, I made it my goal to help people who were in that situation, and once I found this event gallery, same thing.

In the end, though, Guested's right. Nothing we say will change your attitudes, and nothing you say will change ours (though why you feel the need to come around and convince us otherwise is a little bizarre. Love-hate, maybe? ) I won't stop what little I do, and I truly hope that Guested, Nigoli, Bond and the rest never do as well.

As for files on the computer, yes, I keep a well-organized system that easily allows me to browse for certain Pokemon on request. I recently just restructured it, and it's glorious. Since I mostly backup everything as a file, I prefer to send things as .pkm's, but if someone can't figure that out, I will WiFi trade. I don't wait for hours to trade, though, and I'd say the most I'm ever willing to wait is 15-20 minutes at a time or simply reschedule. Just because I'm charitable doesn't make me lenient when it comes to waiting for people.

[Zoruafan494]

So I have been part of a certain private Japanese mailing list for years and this can no longer be a coincidence.

Nigoli, you always upload the very same events just a few hours after a new event has been contributed to our private mailing list. It is obviously not YOU who put efforts in obtaining the events, it's different people who try to keep the events in a small group of collectors, not to be shared with the global public.

This has been going on for years and even the latest Birthday Audino from Tohoku appeared here on Project Pokemon the same day it was finally collected by us.

"If you want to thank me for my Contributions"...
You really should stop adorning yourself with borrowed plumes and taking all the false credit.

Yeah I feel even tho they act so generous I sense something fishy about you guys. And no im not stopping, not doing this for pokemon only. Some people here need to get their butts off the computer and stop doing something that isn't worth it or your time! Ok playing games is good. But I think people here take the line "got to catch them all" way to seriously. No matter what all you guys like many others will get tired. this is probably for most of us some obsessed phase. No matter how many pokemon events you get. Does that change you anything in person? Were we born just to do this? Most of us here can do way better then this. You guys know it!

[Nigoli]

^

Some people here need to get their butts off the computer and stop doing something that isn't worth it or your time!

You're one to talk, all over a single Wonder Card. inb4neoseekerisgr8 / We figured you would do this sort of thing again. Staff can feel free to lock this topic up now, IMO. I honestly don't see how this is going anywhere, all over trolling about one Event. You also shouldn't try flattering yourself when someone tries to stick up for your situation or just go against us. People go through tough times trying to do things. Deal with it and quit feeling sorry for yourself.

So I have been part of a certain private Japanese mailing list for years and this can no longer be a coincidence. Nigoli, you always upload the very same events just a few hours after a new event has been contributed to our private mailing list. It is obviously not YOU who put efforts in obtaining the events, it's different people who try to keep the events in a small group of collectors, not to be shared with the global public. This has been going on for years and even the latest Birthday Audino from Tohoku appeared here on Project Pokemon the same day it was finally collected by us.

Good for you. I was not aware of a Mailing list. I happen to find my Events from different saves from different places as a matter of fact, and I'm just dandy with that. Stated this when I started out when asked, and it's been explained quite a few times by others. Hence why it takes some hours to find them sometimes. I can assume you're the one with the .de Email address that PMed me back in 2010 harassing me about Events. *another duplicate account that's spam to add to my nonsense list* It's also clear you aren't contributing anything Japanese to that "Mailing list" either then, especially if you're located from Germany. Leech much?

"If you want to thank me for my Contributions"... You really should stop adorning yourself with borrowed plumes and taking all the false credit.

I strictly put that there to keep the Contributions Thread clean trying to help the Staff out. Oh~ I'm so very sure, that everything I've contributed up until now, is from different save files and none of my Contributions. Let's not forget other things I do around here, or other Events I've contributed that aren't off of finding random save files. And contributing to this Forum and getting Events off of different saves are two different things entirely. Hence how things like Event Databases began. Hence Contributing to the site. And if you ever contribute anything here, you can call yourself a hypocrite. Events are going to get out there one way or another, if it's on different sites / communities, and it's really nobody's fault. Not even you can stop that flow. Because nobody owns Events!

Here's a link to my post once again, since there's some people that seem too dense to read my posts.

[randomspot555]

Okay, thread has run its course.

The one person I haven't already (temp) banned who hates what we do here at PP, feel free to leave.

Bartman, the BFFs on your mailing list aren't the only people who collect events. Surprisingly, some people like us believe to share as much as possible with the entire fandom rather than hoarding stuff among a small clique.