Kyurem: A Speculation Thread

[KyoMcFizzle]

I double post all the time. What are you saying?
And he's not a retarded chicken dragon :/
That's what a Tbird is.

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Moving along. Any other speculations of Kyurem? I want a Fusion Ice or something of that sort.

I'm not betting on a Fusion Ice, but something else entirely. I mean, Fusion Bolt and Fusion Flare are powered up by one another.
Fusion Ice would be a little... I dunno. Kinda off if we guessed Kyurem being just a shell correctly. MY guess is he'll get some kind of ultima-esque move similar to Judgment, but in the form of Ice (Or something to that general effect) with a slight powerdown to what it WOULD have been had Kyurem been the complete Dragon.

[wraith89]

I'm not betting on a Fusion Ice, but something else entirely. I mean, Fusion Bolt and Fusion Flare are powered up by one another.
Fusion Ice would be a little... I dunno. Kinda off if we guessed Kyurem being just a shell correctly. MY guess is he'll get some kind of ultima-esque move similar to Judgment, but in the form of Ice (Or something to that general effect) with a slight powerdown to what it WOULD have been had Kyurem been the complete Dragon.

Yeah, I guess so. Though, I was thinking more of an 100 BP/100% accurate Ice move. I mean, I know Bolt and Flare are positive energies so having an Ice move of the Fusion family would be weird because Ice is seen as a negative energy of some sort. I only said it because Glaciate feels... lacking. I mean, a -2 speed drop would have been something, but it's only an Icy Wind with a slight vitamin boost. But I suppose Cold Burn and Freeze Shock is enough, and HOPEFULLY, without the charge up effects.

[Tbird]

And he's not a retarded chicken dragon :/
That's what a Tbird is.

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Well I say, I say I resent that remark!

I haven't played far enough into the game to know exactly what the story is wuth Kyurem, I may aswell read the spoilers, I doubt I'll ever get around to finishing BW anyway. Though, I hazard a guess it might be the Reshiram/Zakrom "shedinja" I may be completely off, but that's my uneducated 2c.

[KyoMcFizzle]

Yeah, I guess so. Though, I was thinking more of an 100 BP/100% accurate Ice move. I mean, I know Bolt and Flare are positive energies so having an Ice move of the Fusion family would be weird because Ice is seen as a negative energy of some sort. I only said it because Glaciate feels... lacking. I mean, a -2 speed drop would have been something, but it's only an Icy Wind with a slight vitamin boost. But I suppose Cold Burn and Freeze Shock is enough, and HOPEFULLY, without the charge up effects.

That's where I'd put my money. It's the most logical, given they're both ice type moves and they share attributes of Reshiram and Zekrom's types. I mean, if the moves were something like the way Shadow Force worked, they'd be superb. :/

Well I say, I say I resent that remark!

I haven't played far enough into the game to know exactly what the story is wuth Kyurem, I may aswell read the spoilers, I doubt I'll ever get around to finishing BW anyway. Though, I hazard a guess it might be the Reshiram/Zakrom "shedinja" I may be completely off, but that's my uneducated 2c.

Hello there Stroke-Chicken. :3

[Mjblack]

I'm a fan of the whole "walking corpse" theory. If he's wandering out to devour pokemon and people, I think he's doing it to replenish energy, and if he froze himself internally, it's definitely possible he's dead. Obviously I'd want to know why he isn't part ghost, but the dragon typing is really necessary to tie him in with Reshiram and Zekrom, if everything else wasn't enough.

On a more science-y note, Freezing things is and awesome way to preserve them. (You know, like... in a freezer )

What if when Reshiram and Zekrom exploded out of The ONE Dragon,The remaining pokemon was left so weakened, it used it's little remaining energy to freeze itself in a solid chunk of ice (which is what meteors are usually made of) and when it fell to earth, creating the chasm, the chunk of ice shattering, damaging its body so it was unable to fly. It devoured nearby pokemon, who eventually learned to hide from it (explaining why the Chasm isn't empty) and gained enough strength to wander out and begin feeding on the nearby village. If it was an animated corpse, it would explain the need to keep itself frozen. Cryogenics.


I'd really like to see another form, possible one with an ability or item to ignore charging.

[Psycho__Ryan]

If there is a Second form, and if it is just a hollow shell, then I think it would be cool if it attained the second form only when all three Dragons are in your party.

[Loki]

I just thought of something.
This is an extreme stretch pulled from my tired mind, but it might explain something.
Since Kyurem is from space or whatever, what if he* was, like, a runt or something? Maybe his stats are so low because he's an inferior of their species. Maybe they could do some thing in the third one where, like, a full version comes from space to get it or something.
Like, all the other Kyurems could be super space dragons, and this one fell to earth because it couldn't keep up with the others?
It would kinda explain his incomplete appearance, and low stats. The Kyurem in B/W could be the ugly duckling of Kyurems.
I guess I kinda just want a space themed pokemon game...

* I'm just reffering to it as male for siplicity.

[aquaguy34]

You may be over thinking it a bit...

I think Kyurem was the corpse of the original Tao dragon and When Reshiram and Zekrom became split, the remains which is Kyurem fell from the sky and it looked like a meteor falling form the sky. also remember, the light and dark stones existed since Reshiram and Zekrom had damaged bodies afterwards. When the player/N used the stones, the two dragons have there bodies restored but Kyurem didn't get it's bodied restored from the god stone (it's a little to obvious that kyurem's stone is the god stone) so it remained "incomplete" for a long time. In the ird game, Kyurem may be able to interact with the god stone and have it's body restored to it's full potential and hopefully, Kyurem will actually be strong. This is just me speculating it since it seems everything about the legend seems to fit so well, you don't have to agree with my theory...

[PokemonWorldMaster1]

Personnaly, I truly believe they're going to make a Pokemon Grey Version staring kyurem. I think this because Kyurem has almost the same battle theme as Reshiram and Zekrom. And if you look into the past games, they made pokemon saphire and pokemon ruby star Kyogre and Groudon. Rayquaza was in both games but very few people would mention anything about them, and you couldn't recieve it untill you defeated the pokemon League. Ring a bell? Kyurem right? You can only recieve Reshiram or Zekrom depending on which game you have, you don't hear anything abut Kyurem until after you defeat the pokemon league. Now let's go to the geneartion between Gen 3 and Gen 5. In generation 4 in diamond and pearl were the first game of the 4th generation such as Ruby & Saphire were the 1st games of genereation 3 and black and white were the 1st games of generation 5. In generation 4 you could get Dialga and Palkia each at Lv.47. Then you couldn't battle Giratina until after you defeated the elite 4 and recieve the national pokedex. You would go to the newly opened Sendoff Spring Giratina in the Turnback Cave at level 70. But in the new game that came out two years later after Diamond and Pearl came Pokemon Platinum! Just like the previous geneation. In this game, the concepts are reversed! You meet giratina during the same course of story. Then you couldn't meet Dialga and Palkia until you defeat the Pokemon League. You have also noticed that you can recieve both Dialga and Palkia and they are level 70 and Giritina is at level 47. Just like Pokemon Ruby and Saphire and Emerald. So that is why it's going to happen in this new generation. And also, I do think that GAME FREAK hates ice-types because every other type has a super legendary pokemon except ice until now, so I beleive that there is going to Be a grey version with kyurem and that N is going to get both Reshiram and Zekrom but will instead release them at the end of the game instead of disappearing with them.

[aquaguy34]

Personnaly, I truly believe they're going to make a Pokemon Grey Version staring kyurem. I think this because Kyurem has almost the same battle theme as Reshiram and Zekrom. And if you look into the past games, they made pokemon saphire and pokemon ruby star Kyogre and Groudon. Rayquaza was in both games but very few people would mention anything about them, and you couldn't recieve it untill you defeated the pokemon League. Ring a bell? Kyurem right? You can only recieve Reshiram or Zekrom depending on which game you have, you don't hear anything abut Kyurem until after you defeat the pokemon league. Now let's go to the geneartion between Gen 3 and Gen 5. In generation 4 in diamond and pearl were the first game of the 4th generation such as Ruby & Saphire were the 1st games of genereation 3 and black and white were the 1st games of generation 5. In generation 4 you could get Dialga and Palkia each at Lv.47. Then you couldn't battle Giratina until after you defeated the elite 4 and recieve the national pokedex. You would go to the newly opened Sendoff Spring Giratina in the Turnback Cave at level 70. But in the new game that came out two years later after Diamond and Pearl came Pokemon Platinum! Just like the previous geneation. In this game, the concepts are reversed! You meet giratina during the same course of story. Then you couldn't meet Dialga and Palkia until you defeat the Pokemon League. You have also noticed that you can recieve both Dialga and Palkia and they are level 70 and Giritina is at level 47. Just like Pokemon Ruby and Saphire and Emerald. So that is why it's going to happen in this new generation. And also, I do think that GAME FREAK hates ice-types because every other type has a super legendary pokemon except ice until now, so I beleive that there is going to Be a grey version with kyurem and that N is going to get both Reshiram and Zekrom but will instead release them at the end of the game instead of disappearing with them.

Yay someone who shares the same ideas I have!

[zzz.sleeping]

Yep. Almost certainly, a Pokemon Grey version :3
I remember Red/Blue then Yellow
Silver/Gold then Crystal
Ruby/Sapphire then Emerald
Diamond/Pearl then Platinum
I've seen only remakes lack the 'inbetween' version ;3

[LegoDude12]

Maybe it will be the Girantina factor with pokemon grey! I mean black and white is just begging for something in the middle.

[PokemonWorldMaster1]

I have noticed two special moves that are in the games data but cannot be learned by any pokemon by regular means. These moves are the ice type moves Freeze Shock and Ice Burn. They both have a power of 140 and take two turns to charge, but look closer at these moves. Freeze SHOCK!? Ice BURN!? sounds familiar doesn't it? Freeze Shock has a chance of causing paralysis just like Zekrom's Bolt Strike and Ice Burn has a chance of burning your oppenent, just like Reshiram's Blue Flare. But since Kyurem cannot learn these moves, it is unknown if these moves will have any relationship. But if they make a Pokemon Grey Version staring Kyurem, it's signiture moves might be these moves which could very well explain it's relationship movewise. Nintendo may also air a Kyurem event that knows these two moves. But I wanted to see these moves in action so I used a move modifier to teach these moves to Kyurem and they seem like a perfect fit for Kyurem and they make it feel more strongly related to Reshiram and Zekrom and it just makes Kyurem feel more complete as it has some signiture moves now. This may be too good to be true because they're are other parts of games data that nintendo never bothered to unlock via event. Such as the last poketch apps in pokemon diamond, pearl and Platinum as well as the Azure flute to capture arceus at spear pillar. Also same with the lock capsule in Heartgold and Soulsilver so Kyurem may never truly become complete.

[Super-Tao]

See what I think, in a very logical way IS after the split , from space, a very complete Kyurem fell from space and when it crash landed on Earth, it became damaged thus the incomplete look !

[Sel]

Hmmm.... I've wracked my brain abit but this is what i've come up with so far:

Spoiler

I'll start at the beginning... Well, the beginning of the pokemon universe that is. According to lore, Arceus, The original one, Hatched from a space egg then created the world as we know it. This story is almost identical to the Story of the Chinese creation deity Pangu.

Via Wikipedia: In the beginning there was nothing in the universe except a formless chaos. However this chaos coalesced into a cosmic egg for about 18,000 years. Within it, the perfectly opposed principles of Yin and Yang became balanced and Pangu emerged (or woke up) from the egg.

Wait, Yin and Yang? Perfectly balanced? This, In my opinion, brings about two options.

1-The original Pokemon Was in fact The Original Tao Dragon, Who created Arceus.

2-Arceus, For one reason or another, gave Physical form/Life to the very force that brought him to be.

Fast forward to the Great Pokemon war.. Possibly the most telling piece of the entire story in regards to speculation about Kyurem. Why? Picture an all out war between two Newly formed Uber Dragons(Chyeah!)... I can't bring myself to believe that a war of such importance was a "Unova Exclusive" war. Something possibly echoed in none other than Johto. Seriouly!

Via bulbapedia: According to the anime, Ho-Oh lived in the Tin Tower in ancient times. When war broke out, burning both the Tin Tower and the Brass Tower down, it created Raikou, Entei, and Suicune, and all four disappeared.

Of coarse being that the above was taken from the anime, it may not apply here at all.. But, I do still believe that Johto does have it's ties to the mystery surrounding Kyurem. Why? Two reason. The Sinjoh Ruins, and Cynthia. Yes, Cynthia. The sinjoh ruins(Which is a rather frigid local) itself has ties to the Alpha Pokemon Arceus, and even Creation itself, As through a special event the player is able to obtain a Lv.1 Sinnoh Dragon Trio member Via Arceus Creating one on the spot. And who is present for the whole thing? Why it's Cynthia, Of coarse. Why? In Pearl/Dia/Plat, Cynthia travels throughout sinnoh researching the legends and myths of the land, Eventually bringing her, in HG/SS, to none other than(Dun Dada DUN!) The Sinjoh ruins!

But wait.. that's in GenIV, Right? and besides, those places i mentioned are waaaaaaaaaay away from unova, According to Nintendo and in game references. Which brings us to question why our dear Sinnoh Ex-champ shows up in Undella town?(Which is conveniently located adjacent to Lacunosa and the giant chasm) Her answer? Research of coarse! but on what? What possible Find could've spurred her to continue her search regarding Sinnohs' legends In unova? Possibly that the "One Tao Dragon" is actually involved in the creation of the Pokemon world? If so, Could Kyurem be the Remains of this "One Tao Dragon"? Following either of my theories of its' possible connection with Arceus, It becomes even the more plausible, As the balance of Yin and Yang seem to fit the bill quite nicely; Thus upon the split and subsequent absence of Yin and Yang(Reshiram and Zekrom), Otherwise known as Wuji(Which Kyurem represents) in Tao tradition, only the corpse of the "One Dragon", Aka Kyurem, Was left.

Okay, So now Kyurem is a dead body... Or maybe..... A ZOMBIE!!!!! (Dramitic gasps) No, I'm Serious. He's a falling apart, flesh eating(according to lore) Cold corpse.. What about that doesn't sound like a Zombie?
So, if Kyurem Was resurrected into a sort of Undead state, Who did it? What Pokemon is known for Bringing Other Pokemon back from the dead? My guess? Ho-oh. A pokemon native to Johto. This Brings me to a crossroads of sorts concerning Kyurem's Icy visage.

1- If Ho-oh was the cause of Kyurem's Zombified state, Is he responsible for the his Ice typing? After all, The legendary beasts embodied the elements related to their initial demise. Is Kyurem's case the same?

2-It is stated in Kyurem's Pokedex entries that the origin of the ice that covers it is generated inside it's own body. This could be due to the void of Yin/Yang within it, Giving a parallel to the Frigid void of space, Where it was to have fallen from.

3-The uber cold temps are relative to its' cold, corpse-like state.

This is all still speculation of coarse, But it makes sense to me. Though i have more to say, i'll save some for later since this is getting pretty lengthy.