Piplup or Chimchar?

[pokemonfan]

I've seen that lots of people are arguing over which starter is better. Well lets see. Since the poll in that forum wasn't exactly fit for the argument I made this thread. You can vote on which one is the best and try to persuade people that your choice is the best one. Ok then have fun.

I think piplup is the best because

Totally cuter then the rest
Water types rock
It helps you with the first gym
it forces you to catch other wild pokemon and train them to cover piplup's weaknesses
Its evolutions rock
the others were not as good
I had a plan for taking down the gyms and piplup was part of it
piplup is like the only actual good water type in the game
there are other good fire types in the game and other good grass types
the second and third members of the elite four use types that are weak to water
lucian would own chimchar's evolutions
flint would own turtwig and evolutions
Piplup was the best sinnoh starter and always will be!

[Lugiamaster]

No way, when it comes to the best sinnoh starter
turtwing rules
My reasons
1. Its final form is the best full evolved starter
2. Admittedly, Piplup is the cutest but I'm not 1 for cuteness, I prefer toughness
3. Same as Piplup, its very useful in the 1st gym
4. Its final form is a unique type
5. Its great in a trick room team
6. Its easy to evolve
I could go on but I won't

[pokemonfan]

What! Empoleon is the best full evolved starter! Piplup is easy to evolve too. Plus, not trying to be offensive but piplup, when it evolves it doesn't look fat! Additionally, piplup's basic form of a penguin stays. Turtwig starts too look like landscape who wants a pokemon like that? Plus with the added ground type to grass how is it supposed to take water type moves? Is it a normal thing since the other type is grass?
Piplup rocks just like drifloon
I wish drifloon was a starter!

[4evil]

my point of view
piplup = easy road
chimchar = hard road

piplup = already beats 2 of the elite four
chimchar = 1 of the elite four/ dies to the 4th one

[Enkidu]

I've seen that lots of people are arguing over which starter is better. Well lets see. Since the poll in that forum wasn't exactly fit for the argument I made this thread. You can vote on which one is the best and try to persuade people that your choice is the best one. Ok then have fun.

I think piplup is the best because

Totally cuter then the rest
Water types rock
It helps you with the first gym
it forces you to catch other wild pokemon and train them to cover piplup's weaknesses
Its evolutions rock
the others were not as good
I had a plan for taking down the gyms and piplup was part of it
piplup is like the only actual good water type in the game
there are other good fire types in the game and other good grass types
the second and third members of the elite four use types that are weak to water
lucian would own chimchar's evolutions
flint would own turtwig and evolutions
Piplup was the best sinnoh starter and always will be!


Ok a lot of these are biased, opinion based or apply to chimchar as well. Infernape can learn Grassknot Killing swampert, whiscash and hippowdon pretty easily, a Swords danced close combat can kill almost anything, even a 252 hp /252 def bold vaporeon has an incredibly high chance of being OHKO'd by a +2 CC with stealth rock damage , so in game it's more than enough to take out whatever you need it to.


Now while Empoleon is a great pokemon, he doesn't become as useful as Chimchar/turtwig do until he gets surf, which is a ways away from the start of the game.

Infernape learns Thunder punch and earthquake so along with his STAB attacks ( fire and fighting ) he can easily take out every gym in the game given you take the time to stop by a movetutor to teach him thunder punch >:|

I don't even like Chimchar/Infernape.

[Turtlekid2]

I hate apes, which is a shame, because Chimchar is the best starter to use going through the game.

1. Cuteness is not a factor for me.
2. Water types are okay, I suppose...
3. As long as you evolve Chimchar, it does, too.
4. That's true of any Pokemon.
5. If we're just going by how cool their evolutions are, Turtwig is the best.
6. That's a matter of opinion.
7. I took down every gym with my Monferno/Infernape.
8. What's wrong with Tentacruel?
9. Budew is a good alternative to Turtwig, but there's only one other fire-type line until you beat the Elite Four.
10. Bertha's are all weak against grass, whereas only some are weak against water. You've got a point with Flint.
11. Not if your Infernape owns him first.
12. Actually, with the exception of that Medicham's Ice Punch, Torterra isn't bad against Lucian.
13. Again, a matter of opinion.

[pokemonfan]

You guys are all to technical! Aarg! I love piplup and piplup will totally beat the crud out of the main competitor right now, chimchar. Which is a sign that piplup is superior.
Additionally, who would think that chimchar can learn all of those moves! I was amazed when I found out. I don't think they learn them normally right? Grass knot by TM and Thunderpunch by tutor, I'm not sure about earthquake but I don't think it is a normal level up move. Piplup rules
If drifloon was a starter it would be the best!

[bear831]

I choose Chimchar because I always chose the fire starter and I like its evolutions.

[Enkidu]

@Pokemonfan You can't use the elemental triangle to determine which starter is the best, and actually no infernape beats out Empoleon :/

Closecombat from 307 attack Infernape does a minimum of 266 damage to max def, Impish or bold Empoleon. ( without Life orb or expert belt ) And since infernape learns Close combat AND Mach punch Empoleon stands no chance with it's offensive set,a s it's KO'd first and with its defensive set cant OHKO infernape :/

[pokemonfan]

What if empoleon is a higher level, faster, and uses aqua jet on infernape. That is a water type move and with a higher level empoleon using it odds are infernape is going down. about the elemental triangle thing I guess you are some what correct. Aarg! I hate it when people's points make good ones and they mess up mine!

[Enkidu]

What if empoleon is a higher level, faster, and -
Thats like saying a Bibarel is better than Darkrai as one is 40 and the others 100 . Normal type is immune to ghost so Darkai at level 40 has a decent chance at being Ko'd by a Bibarel. That doesn't make Bibarel a better pokemon.


The only way I can see Empoleon beating Infernape is in the case of a 252hp/252 special attack set where you expect a close combat from infernape and hit it with a STAB super effective surf after the defense drop from CC. Infernape using earthquake totallty ruins that strategy though. :x But I'm just theorymoning here.

[pokemonfan]

Ok then! Once again more good points! Arg, but it is possible. Anything is possible in pokemon practically. Maybe we can just call it even? Um, how in the world does Infernape learn earthquake?
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[TheHalfBloodPrince]

Piplup is the best. Hands down. No questions asked.

[Enkidu]

A Tm, he has a pretty varied movepool which makes him incredibly versatile in the same way Gengar and Lucario are. Although Lucario has such a large movepool it's grossly unfair at times. :x

[pokemonfan]

Oh, maybe next time I play I should choose chimchar you are making good points but I'm still going to support piplup!
THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE, VOTE FOR PIPLUP THEN IF IT WINS HANDS DOWN PIPLUP NEEDS SUPPORT! AND STRONG SUPPORT TOO!
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If drifloon was a starter it would rock the world
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[Enkidu]

Piplup isn't a bad starter by any means, it just happens to be that until he gets surf he's weaker in comparison to the other two. So in the realm of "starter" pokemon, he doesn't make a good choice if you just want to get through the game quickly or easily, which is the point of debating over a starter pokemon if I'm not mistaken.

[Lugiamaster]

You guys are all to technical! Aarg! I love piplup and piplup will totally beat the crud out of the main competitor right now, chimchar. Which is a sign that piplup is superior.
Additionally, who would think that chimchar can learn all of those moves! I was amazed when I found out. I don't think they learn them normally right? Grass knot by TM and Thunderpunch by tutor, I'm not sure about earthquake but I don't think it is a normal level up move. Piplup rules
If drifloon was a starter it would be the best!

Fact is, torterra can own empoleon since his ground type moves hurt empoleon big time plus empoleon isn't that good on def stat not to mention torterra's hig atk stat
The only thing torterra and empoleon are good on are they are both good in a trick room team

[pokemonfan]

Ok then so are you saying, both of you, that piplup is the weakest starter?

[mbruno]

I'd say Chimchar because the fire-type starters have always been my favorites.

[pokemonfan]

NO! not another chimchar supporter! Aaarg! I cant deal with all your excellent points. Well as of this post here are the standings of the voters:
Chimchar: (winning unfortanetly) with 5 votes
Piplup: 2nd with 3 votes
Turtwig in last with 1 vote
Come on people piplup is the way to go!
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[Kiekoes]

I don't care about Piplup or Chimchar, Turtwig is the best.
With every Sinnoh Pokémon game I choosed him.
Turtwig is the best, no discussion.

[pokemonfan]

No I will discuss! Turtwig is the underdog on this forum. So far he is in last! Tied for last. Looks like your twig is going to be ashes and I'm going to have a piplup with burns. Because Chimchar is wiping the floor with both of the other starters.
As of this post:
Chimchar: 6
Piplup:3
Turtwig:3
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If drifloon was a starter it would rock the world way better then any starter ever has!
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MNc-Q2tJBPU/Rn13CCZ5bfI/AAAAAAAAAOE/9zkqNCKHN_Q/s400/Turtwig.png
http://kreskowka.pl/images/1234056731_piplup3.gif
http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/772/772788/countdown-to-diamond-and-pearl-20070314025555501.jpg

[Pender]

I don't care how unpopular he appears to be on this topic, I'm going with Turtwig. Some of us do like the idea of a pokemon with a landscape on its back, pokemonfan:p

[pokemonfan]

I don't care how unpopular he appears to be on this topic, I'm going with Turtwig. Some of us do like the idea of a pokemon with a landscape on its back, pokemonfan:p

Well take a look at this!
The this one is what should happen to chimchar and turtwig
http://www.freewebs.com/pinkjellybean1996/chimchar_turtwig.jpg

[Kiekoes]

No I will discuss! Turtwig is the underdog on this forum. So far he is in last! Tied for last. Looks like your twig is going to be ashes and I'm going to have a piplup with burns. Because Chimchar is wiping the floor with both of the other starters.
As of this post:
Chimchar: 6
Piplup:3
Turtwig:3
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If drifloon was a starter it would rock the world way better then any starter ever has!
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MNc-Q2tJBPU/Rn13CCZ5bfI/AAAAAAAAAOE/9zkqNCKHN_Q/s400/Turtwig.png
http://kreskowka.pl/images/1234056731_piplup3.gif
http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/772/772788/countdown-to-diamond-and-pearl-20070314025555501.jpg


My Turtwig ownes every single Pokémon.
I'm sure of it!
Turtwig is the best Pokémon there is!

[pokemonfan]

We should just be friends seriously:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZFYIhhc1lS_vyM:http://www.deviantart.com/download/67052676/Pokemon_Turtwig_and_Piplup_by_HikariYugi_chan.jpg
Our pokemon our friends why aren't we?

[Kiekoes]

We should just be friends seriously:
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZFYIhhc1lS_vyM:http://www.deviantart.com/download/67052676/Pokemon_Turtwig_and_Piplup_by_HikariYugi_chan.jpg
Our pokemon our friends why aren't we?

Ok, we're friends!

[damio]

Oh, maybe next time I play I should choose chimchar you are making good points but I'm still going to support piplup!
THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE, VOTE FOR PIPLUP THEN IF IT WINS HANDS DOWN PIPLUP NEEDS SUPPORT! AND STRONG SUPPORT TOO!
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If drifloon was a starter it would rock the world
Pokemonfan
Stop telling people what to vote for in polls.
It is their choice.

[pokemonfan]

He said himself that "Piplup would win hands down" so I dont see why he would not vote for piplup. I checked the poles and I didn't see his vote so I thought maybe he forgot to vote So that is why I brought it up. I do my best to support piplup but if you want me to stop telling people then I will.

[Enkidu]

I don't care how unpopular he appears to be on this topic, I'm going with Turtwig. Some of us do like the idea of a pokemon with a landscape on its back, pokemonfan:p
:D Exactly. Although I think Swampert/Typhlosion are the coolest starters.

I was just arguing that in terms of pokemon to start the game with, and beat it the Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape line makes it the easiest. He's arguing over which one is cooler. :x

[pokemonfan]

:D Exactly. Although I think Swampert/Typhlosion are the coolest starters.

I was just arguing that in terms of pokemon to start the game with, and beat it the Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape line makes it the easiest. He's arguing over which one is cooler. :x

If you are referring to me arguing over who is cooler that isn't my point. I was just trying to say that piplup is the best but now I'm losing site of my purpose for it. So since this argument is creating some tension I do believe I've decided to try and end it. Click here (http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?t=377)To help end this senseless debate. I feel partially responsible for spurring it on and creating it so I feel the need to end it. It is quite clear who is winning.

[damio]

It is quite clear who is winning.
Who is winning, for now. Circumstances change.

Also, this debate isn't senseless, it is full of logic, which some members on site need when making a decision such as this.

[pokemonfan]

Who is winning, for now. Circumstances change.

Also, this debate isn't senseless, it is full of logic, which some members on site need when making a decision such as this.

Again another good point, what is up with you and good points. Some of it is just senseless because it has been said already (I have done that I know) but don't you think it is getting kind of old. I mean it is dragged out on like three threads and it is just getting tiresome. Maybe I should just stop commenting.
Plus, due to the amount of chimchar support I don't think the results are going to change. At all!
Click here (http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?t=377) to help stop the argument!

[damio]

Again another good point, what is up with you and good points. Some of it is just senseless because it has been said already (I have done that I know) but don't you think it is getting kind of old. I mean it is dragged out on like three threads and it is just getting tiresome. Maybe I should just stop commenting.
Plus, due to the amount of chimchar support I don't think the results are going to change. At all!
Click here (http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?t=377) to help stop the argument!
I am good at arguing.
'Nuff Said.
:p
That link is pointless, I have already shown that debate is a great way of displaying information.

The results will change, maybe in favour of Piplup, maybe in favour of Chimchar.
You don't know, and you can't speak for other people.

[pokemonfan]

I am good at arguing.
'Nuff Said.
:p
That link is pointless, I have already shown that debate is a great way of displaying information.

The results will change, maybe in favour of Piplup, maybe in favour of Chimchar.
You don't know, and you can't speak for other people.

Well...look at all the good information there is on chimchar/and evolutions this is from a number of different people too. Plus all the info on piplup well just doesn't match up! Turtwig support is hardly even on this thread! All this has really effected my outlook on the game and probably others. So much so that I am convinced. You win! Chimchar is the best. The next time I get a chance I will choose chimchar and not piplup or turtwig! Ok I am completely convinced that with the right upbringing chimchar/evolutions can own the game. Happy now! Plus if you really want to keep arguing what are you going to do? I'm so sick and tired of this debate especially when I know I'm losing and I can not possibly match up against your good points and that of others. I'm only one person, and the other starter support isn't as powerful as chimchar's support so I hope that chimchar and all of his fans are happy! That is all I have to say. Good day/night wherever you live!
:(:(

[damio]

Well...look at all the good information there is on chimchar/and evolutions this is from a number of different people too. Plus all the info on piplup well just doesn't match up! Turtwig support is hardly even on this thread! All this has really effected my outlook on the game and probably others. So much so that I am convinced. You win! Chimchar is the best. The next time I get a chance I will choose chimchar and not piplup or turtwig! Ok I am completely convinced that with the right upbringing chimchar/evolutions can own the game. Happy now! Plus if you really want to keep arguing what are you going to do? I'm so sick and tired of this debate especially when I know I'm losing and I can not possibly match up against your good points and that of others. I'm only one person, and the other starter support isn't as powerful as chimchar's support so I hope that chimchar and all of his fans are happy! That is all I have to say. Good day/night wherever you live!
:(:(
I was actually arguing for Piplup, not chimchar.
You are only losing this debate because you fail to support your claims with evidence, which is extremely important.

Regarding where I live; read my location.

[pokemonfan]

Does it seem like I care where you live or what time it is now? Well maybe my inability to produce information is based off of the fact that I really didn't know much about the starters and their move pool and stuff like that till now. Plus, it is clear that the debate for piplup is also being lost because no one but me seems to be fighting for piplup. I mean sure they have said they liked piplup and their are other voters but really not much battle has come out of any piplup supporter. i have just responded and tried to counter the good points you all make.
PLUS HOW HAVE YOU BEEN FIGHTING FOR PIPLUP?

[damio]

Does it seem like I care where you live or what time it is now? Well maybe my inability to produce information is based off of the fact that I really didn't know much about the starters and their move pool and stuff like that till now. Plus, it is clear that the debate for piplup is also being lost because no one but me seems to be fighting for piplup. I mean sure they have said they liked piplup and their are other voters but really not much battle has come out of any piplup supporter. i have just responded and tried to counter the good points you all make.
PLUS HOW HAVE YOU BEEN FIGHTING FOR PIPLUP?
I have been arguing for the sake of information, but being slightly bias to Piplup because it is the cutest/best out of all of them.

[pokemonfan]

I have been arguing for the sake of information, but being slightly bias to Piplup because it is the cutest/best out of all of them.

What? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. Quite frankly I'm tired of the argument, I'm just not sure if arguing for the sake of information is motivating enough to keep on fighting. Plus who would keep reading if they knew it wasn't a real argument?

[Poryhack]

There's a poll in the other thread, this one is not necessary.