Pokemon in: Super Smash bros. brawl.

[pokemonfan]

I like to play with only the pokeballs on and on high. Then the whole game is basically getting the pokeballs and throwing it. But it is fun because of the pokemon that come out. I also like to be the pokemon trainer when I do this that means a lot of pokemon.

What do you like to do with pokemon in super smash bros.?

[Turtlekid2]

Play as Lucario. He's one of my best characters.

[bombob]

use a pokeball. I cant use a pokemon char. BTW, i can brawl sum1. I still dont know if im better with meta knight or sonic...

[pokemonfan]

Play as Lucario. He's one of my best characters.

Me too

[Aeternus]

Snake FTW! But I'm also alright with Squirtle (not so great with Ivysaur or Charizard, though) and I also like playing with PokeBalls, but not only them. Sometimes it's nice to have items that you know the effects of. ;]

[pokemonfan]

The pokemon trainer in my opinion is supposed to be used as following:

Squirtle: start out with him then have him and his annoying speed bring foe up to 30%-50% damage. Then switch to Ivysaur

Ivysaur: really meant to get up to 100%-120% but can kill oponent make sure that while pokemon are doing their jobs they dont take too much damage. Switch to charizard

Charizard: Kill foe pretty simple.

That is how I use the Pkmn trainer.

[Aeternus]

Eh everyone has their own styles and opinions. I just like to play, no real strategy. I like Squirtle 'cause, even though he doesn't do that much damage, he's still fast and small. But that's just how I play it.

[pokemonfan]

Eh everyone has their own styles and opinions. I just like to play, no real strategy. I like Squirtle 'cause, even though he doesn't do that much damage, he's still fast and small. But that's just how I play it.

Yeah, squirtle is my favorite out of the three. Sometimes I end up killing someone with squirtle because I get carried away.

[HottSushiz]

I love Lucario, with his Aura Sphere, that the more damaged you get, the more damaging your Aura Sphere is, so he's practically the Monster in Sudden Death.

[darklord]

The pokemon trainer in my opinion is supposed to be used as following:

Squirtle: start out with him then have him and his annoying speed bring foe up to 30%-50% damage. Then switch to Ivysaur

Ivysaur: really meant to get up to 100%-120% but can kill oponent make sure that while pokemon are doing their jobs they dont take too much damage. Switch to charizard

Charizard: Kill foe pretty simple.

That is how I use the Pkmn trainer.

you can actually start with any you want

[Turtlekid2]

Maybe pokemonfan prefers to start with Squirtle anyway...?

[pokemonfan]

That is how I work my pokemon trainer strategy! Squirtle damages a little, I switch to Ivysaur who does killable damage, then charizard with his strength kills the foe, then back to squirtle. Thanks for the back up Turtlekid2 I do prefer squirtle but I usually try to work in all of my pokemon.

[Sir Xero]

What do you like to do with pokemon in super smash bros.?
I am a Meta K user, or Yoshi user, or Pikachu user, mainly MK.

But, if i do use Pokeballs, i enjoy just throwing them around and seeing what comes out, then dodging that.

I espicially like it when legendaries come out, that is what i'm looking for.

In SSBM, i used to use Pokeballs a lot to try to hit Mew in its bubble.

[pokemonfan]

Ok then, I love the legendaries too, especially kyogre. I'm having trouble figuring out exactly how to take advantage of what manaphy does. Do you just keep killing yourself but not the last live right.

[damio]

I love Lucario, with his Aura Sphere, that the more damaged you get, the more damaging your Aura Sphere is, so he's practically the Monster in Sudden Death.
Sudden Death + Lucario = 5 second match.

[pokemonfan]

Sudden Death + Lucario = 5 second match.

Yeah! He is so powerful when he is at high damage. It is really sad when you die though because then your power is just sapped and you are so weak again it is frustrating!

[damio]

But he is not weak when he is at 0%, he is just at normal strength, which is still enough to smash other brawlers around.

[pokemonfan]

But he is not weak when he is at 0%, he is just at normal strength, which is still enough to smash other brawlers around.

I know, its just you are so used to him being more powerful then that because he was powerful before he died. So it appears that lucario is a whole lot weaker but it is normal. So it just feels that way.

[DeadPool]

I'm a Wolf player myself, I've always been Fox in the previous versions (He even got me to 3rd place in a release night SSBB tournement, sudden death match [Zero Suit Samus was faster]) but then Wolf came and I was hooked, sure he's a little slower but he's the most powerful of the Star Fox group.

[damio]

He's also the 2nd clone of fox.

Also, i can play as all of the pokemon characters, but I'm best with Zero Suit Samus or Sonic. (Metroid FTW)

[pokemonfan]

I'm a Wolf player myself, I've always been Fox in the previous versions (He even got me to 3rd place in a release night SSBB tournement, sudden death match [Zero Suit Samus was faster]) but then Wolf came and I was hooked, sure he's a little slower but he's the most powerful of the Star Fox group.

I love wolf too! He is way better then fox and falco. I have a friend he is really good with fox and falco and I beat him when I was wolf. He was so annoyed. This kept happening. He still wont admit that wolf is the best.

Just to get it over with here are the people I like.

Zelda/shiek
Lucario
Wolf
Pokemon trainer

[DeadPool]

Everybody that plays it in my family have their respective favorite characters

Dad - Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Brother - Roy
Sister - Falco
Me - Wolf
2nd Sister - Fox

Although we do occasionally play games where our characters all have to be random, just to add to the fun.

[pokemonfan]

I did the random thing once and hated it! My opponent always got characters he was good with. I got lame ones. King DDD vs fox is not a good match up in my opinion!

[DeadPool]

That was what made those battles fun, and it usually came down to whoever got to the Smash Ball first.

[Okami]

Give me Pikachu to play with and I'm boss.

Of course, I'm rusty nowadays...it's been months since I traded my Brawl in.

Anyone have any idea what Goldeen does, other than being useless?

[pokemonfan]

That was what made those battles fun, and it usually came down to whoever got to the Smash Ball first.

Oh, me and my friends don't like how it comes down to the smash ball and items so we turn them off completely. Then you are pretty much stuck. And for the goldeen thing, no idea I think it is just one useless pokemon in the game to infuriate players.

[Turtlekid2]

Well, you wouldn't need nearly that high of a damage % to get his aura sphere to that level. His aura-based powers cap off in strength at 167%.

[pokemonfan]

Well, let that be said, but that is high enough for an average player to kill him. When he dies bang boom you feel so weak because you were so strong. An after effect of human mentality.

[Turtlekid2]

Ah yes, sweet, sweet irony.

Still, with good DI, Lucario can survive at surprisingly high percentages.
I'm a little bummed because a friend I Brawl with online thinks Lucario is stupid.

:(

Although, I have to agree with some critics that "Aura Storm" should have been "Hyper Beam."

[pokemonfan]

Wow, totally, I cant believe it lucario is so not stupid.

[damio]

I wish they had a magikarp in it.
That evolves and goes on a rampage just before disappearing.

[pokemonfan]

I wish they had a magikarp in it.
That evolves and goes on a rampage just before disappearing.

That would be awesome, I can see it now....

Lucario uses aura sphere...squirtle leaps into the air and hits lucario with his tail. Suddenly a pokeball appears! Lucario grabs squirtle and throws him off the edge of the stage. however squirtle uses the water fall and then roles into his shell and speeds towards lucario knocking him off his feet. Squirtle grabs and throws the pokeball it hits lucario and out pops a magikarp. "Ha Ha!" laughs lucario. Then magikarp is bathed in a glowing light. No one sees a thing and the buttons are not pressed. Suddenly gyarados appears and knocks lucario to his doom. Now squirtle laughs and does his taunt "Squirtle Squirtle!"

End of vision

[damio]

I was thinking instead of having Gyrados knock them off, have it weave up and down through the stage. (have it jump out, dive and jump out again. Think of a dolphin.)

[pokemonfan]

I was thinking instead of having Gyrados knock them off, have it weave up and down through the stage. (have it jump out, dive and jump out again. Think of a dolphin.)

That is cool too, sort of like Latias and Latios, what would be coolest though is if the stage turned to water for gyarados so that all the people are struggling and it would be harder to dodge and mean certain death under normal occasions. I wish that was real.

Vision

"Squirtle save me I dont want to perish" pleaded lucario.

"Good bye you drown or are destroyed by gyarados it is a fact to see bye bye lucario!" said Squirtle waving his hand.

Lucario sunk beneath the waves and gyarados made quick work of lucario.

End of vision
Not to be offensive towards lucario fans I love him too. Its just sometimes things make more sense when done by squirtle or seem funnier because really lucario could own squirtle in my opinion.

So did you like that? I liked my idea what about you.

[Pokeballer2000]

use a pokeball. I cant use a pokemon char. BTW, i can brawl sum1. I still dont know if im better with meta knight or sonic...
Well My Favourite character is: [Drum Roll]... Sonic The Hedgehog! A sonic fan on a pokemon hacking forum!
PS: never told anyone about this except for you guys (girls too if there on)

[damio]

Well My Favourite character is: [Drum Roll]... Sonic The Hedgehog! A sonic fan on a pokemon hacking forum!
PS: never told anyone about this except for you guys (girls too if there on)
One of my best characters is also Sonic.
:p:p:p

[pokemonfan]

Wow, I hate fighting sonic because if he gets the smash ball you are so toast! I'm not that good with sonic but my brother is good with him.

[Midnight]

Although my main is R.O.B., Lucario and Pikachu happen to be two of my current secondaries.

I find the Pokéball Pokémon Manaphy fun. Too bad it's not the easiest to find.

By the way, look what I found:
EDIT: Is there any way to shrink this image? In the meantime, I'll just hide it in this spoiler.
http://stacksmash.cultnet.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/al_081219_2200binout.jpg
Shiny Lucario texture hack for the win!

[pokemonfan]

I dont think you can shrink the image but that is kinda what spoilers are for. The shiny lucario is awesome!

[HottSushiz]

Isn't Lucario's torso suppose to be yellow/gold anywho.
The two things that surprised me about SSBB is that i unlocked Snake, boy that was a strange day, and that when i got the trophy assist, that Issac was there, using Psyenergy MOVE! and he's the main character of Golden Sun.

[Midnight]

Eh, I didn't make that. A group of SSBB hackers called "Stack Smash" made that Lucario texture.

There were three things about SSBB that surprised me.
1. The song Tetris: Type A on the stage Luigi's Mansion. When I first heard that song, my eyes started to flow with tears of joy.
2. The song Hidden Mountain & Forest... my favorite song from my all-time favorite game (that is, Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past) on the marvelous Bridge of Eldin.
3. The song Fire Field on Port Town Aero Dive. They couldn't have done a better job with that extreme, yet lighthearted remix of the hardest course in the original F-Zero.

...yeah, the songs are actually my favorite aspect in Brawl. 310+ stunning songs in one game is nothing to sneeze at.

By the way, did anyone else find getting Jigglypuff in the post-SSE annoying? I did, mainly due to that blasted giant Diddy Kong you had to go through first. >_>

[damio]

1. The song Tetris: Type A on the stage Luigi's Mansion. When I first heard that song, my eyes started to flow with tears of joy.
Ah.
Ye olde Tetris music.
Don't you just love it? *starts humming*

[pokemonfan]

Seriously! The music, I love the battling and competitiveness. I'm always trying to do better then my friends but they usually own me anyway.

[Midnight]

Ah.
Ye olde Tetris music.
Don't you just love it? *starts humming*

Yup yup. ^^

By the way, I just came across Jirachi a couple minutes ago. Man, why did the stage have to be Rainbow Cruise? About four-five of the stickers fell to their doom because of that moving stage. >_>

[pokemonfan]

So sad! :( i have never seen a jirachi! Celebi drops trophys though!

[Midnight]

Jirachi seems to be rarer than the other two prize-droppers... perhaps because it drops sooo many stickers.

What's your favorite stage in Brawl? Mine is Port Town Aero Dive. The music (well, mainly Fire Field and Mute City), the hazards, and the atmosphere appeal to me. Plus, R.O.B. can maneuver around it easily. :p

[pokemonfan]

Final destination!

[Turtlekid2]

I like the Temple, FD, Battlefied, Smashville, and Big Blue.

[pokemonfan]

I like the temple one too, and battle field.

[4evil]

http://i43.tinypic.com/124ygeg.jpg

wish i can see it in brawl on my tv

[Midnight]

If I recall correctly, there is a 1/256 chance of Mew appearing from a Pokéball. Same applies with Celebi and Jirachi, apparently. Good luck finding them. ^^

Something like what's in my spoiler, though, will need teh hoambroo channulz.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/Lolygon-Z/Manaphyx3.jpg

[damio]

If I recall correctly, there is a 1/256 chance of Mew appearing from a Pokéball. Same applies with Celebi and Jirachi, apparently. Good luck finding them. ^^

Something like what's in my spoiler, though, will need teh hoambroo channulz.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/Lolygon-Z/Manaphyx3.jpg

I thought it was the same chance of getting a shiny in pokemon.
*goes to find out*

[Turtlekid2]

If it were the same chance of getting a shiny, most people today would still not have seen all of them.

[pokemonfan]

true very true......manaphy I have seen twice, mew twice, jirachi none, celebi none.

[Fallen]

I've seen Mew, Jirachi, Celebi and Manaphy multiple times. I could just be lucky.

[pokemonfan]

True, however I think it is debatable. I thought that the chance of seeing a legendary was 1/256 throws of the pokeball. Since they are all legendaries the chances of seeing them are low if that number is true. Since there are so many legendaries maybe they are just overidden by the fact that the others have a higher encounter rate? I dont really know for sure.

[Fallen]

Well, when you play brawl a lot and have the items edited to high it's bound to happen. I mean to turn a few items on like Smash Ball, PokéBalls, and a few other things, you're going to see PokéBalls quite often.

[pokemonfan]

I know, I do that sometimes. I hardly ever see kyogre and that is the one I really want to get.

[Fallen]

I may just be lucky. I don't see them crazy often, but I do get them a good amount of times. Deoxys, Kyogre, Groudon, Ho-oh, etc.

[pokemonfan]

Really, well I think I've only seen kyogre twice, groudon a plethora of times, Ho-oh three times, Deoxys twice. I dont see them a lot. I see goldeens, munchalxes, and weavile's a lot.

[Fallen]

Bonsly and Munchlax pop up the most for me. Especially when I really need something good from the Pokéball. XD

[pokemonfan]

Yeah, me too. I'm down by a huge amount and I'm praying for that Kyogre. The pokeball hits my foe and guess what pops out. A goldeen. :( What is the point of those things??

[Fallen]

Nothing really. It comes out using splash; which we all know does nothing..

[pokemonfan]

Yeah, I always hated getting goldeen. Once I got three in a row I was frustrated, especially when my foe then got a pokeball and guess what came out, entei.

[Turtlekid2]

Goldeen was actually (albeit rarely) useful in Melee, as it had an astronomically small chance of using Horn Drill (I've seen it only once).

Yesterday, I got both Kyogre and Lugia in the same match.

[pokemonfan]

0.0 horn drill no way! Wow, and the kyogre lugia thing is amazing too.

[wraith89]

0.0 horn drill no way! Wow, and the kyogre lugia thing is amazing too.

I saw Horn drill once if I am not mistaken... it hit Roy like crazy back in Melee... Speaking of Melee, I miss Roy and Mewtwo... especially since I love FE6, where Roy came from, and Mewtwo was my main character. What in the world did they do to the ultimate Pokemon? I mean seriously... it was BLATANT that they nerfed him so BADLY that he was not in his par. I think he's upset he loses to stuff like Pikachu and Jigglypuff and Pichu...

[Turtlekid2]

If they made Mewtwo as powerful in Melee as he is in the games, no other character would stand a chance.

[pokemonfan]

yeah, agreed turtlekid 2. Also, I like lucario more then mewtwo. However, mewtwo was cool to use just because of his movements and how he battled with pure psychic control.

[wraith89]

yeah, agreed turtlekid 2. Also, I like lucario more then mewtwo. However, mewtwo was cool to use just because of his movements and how he battled with pure psychic control.

I'd rather they not include him at all and save him from humiliation than his very weak counterpart in Melee...

I still think Mewtwo > Lucario, even in Smash. Ever seen Taj's Mewtwo? He's pretty good.

[Turtlekid2]

What I don't like is that Lucario made it into a higher tier than Mewtwo.

[wraith89]

What I don't like is that Lucario made it into a higher tier than Mewtwo.

Not to mention Mewtwo made it to the BOTTOM... BELOW Pichu...

[NarutoEH]

Ha, Lugia is awesome. One time he appeared during the Ice Climbers Final Smash. The mountains size literally halved!

[Fallen]

Lucario was more of publicity stunt for the game. Lucario and the Mystery of Mew had just been released and all that. He was the hot new Pokemon.

Regardless Mewtwo is better. I'm sure he would have been slightly redone for Brawl, but being below Pichu is just...

[pokemonfan]

Below Pichu! Wow, no offense but I always thought that Pichu sucked. It hurt itself with every move it made. Recently, I tried battling with mewtwo and it was just to slow for me.

[wraith89]

Below Pichu! Wow, no offense but I always thought that Pichu sucked. It hurt itself with every move it made. Recently, I tried battling with mewtwo and it was just to slow for me.

You have to learn how to play Mewtwo. He's seriously not for beginners... but seriously, why include him if he would get humiliated like this? :(

And then they get rid of him in Brawl... so he'd forever be known as the laughing stock of the whole Smash Bros series. I've had enough of this >:-[

Mewtwo is my main... and I've defeated my friends using Mewtwo... but I have problems with (naturally) Pikachu because they're so fast. I think they did that on purpose... those nasty Nintendo people trying to make that yellow rat uber...

[pokemonfan]

LOL wraith89. Yeah, I hate pikachu's speed. I'm usually the pokemon trainer now and my friend loves to be pikachu so guess who ends up losing. Me, I'm always out speeded and the only chance I have is squirtle who isn't my fave. Ivysaur is now and I adore charizard's power and stamina but squirtle with low stamina, attack power, and just high speed is quite annoying! Pikachu even beat my best character, zelda! I think maybe he is uber but why so bias towards raichu?

[wraith89]

Er... Squirtle is really fast... and is very good if you learn how to play him. I'm going to try using that Squirtle to own that yellow rat, but unfortunately I don't have Brawl...

And Zelda's my best character in Brawl... because she plays JUST like Mewtwo.

[HottSushiz]

You have to learn how to play Mewtwo. He's seriously not for beginners... but seriously, why include him if he would get humiliated like this? :(

And then they get rid of him in Brawl... so he'd forever be known as the laughing stock of the whole Smash Bros series. I've had enough of this >:-[

Mewtwo is my main... and I've defeated my friends using Mewtwo... but I have problems with (naturally) Pikachu because they're so fast. I think they did that on purpose... those nasty Nintendo people trying to make that yellow rat uber...
I liked Mewtwo, because he was able to perform Shadowball, that looked like Hadouken, i was surprised that he wasn't included, but i guess Lucario replaced him, and Lucario's Hadouken is much more bigger, and badder.

[wraith89]

I liked Mewtwo, because he was able to perform Shadowball, that looked like Hadouken, i was surprised that he wasn't included, but i guess Lucario replaced him, and Lucario's Hadouken is much more bigger, and badder.

Lucario's Aura Sphere is overhyped, but Lucario has that ability which makes him do more damage with higher % in his health.
Fun fact: Mewtwo can Aura Sphere too, albeit in level 99 as opposed to Lucario's level 30ish...

[pokemonfan]

Zelda is nothing like mewtwo I'm not sure where you are getting that. However, lucario learns aura sphere at level 37. Mewtwo learns it at level 100. I'd prefer lucario because 1. The type of fight plus move type of fight gives it a total of 135 damage with total accuracy 2. He learns it earlier so it can be used to advantage earlier 3. Mewtwo is a lot harder to get so easier access to aura sphere with lucario. Although I would love to get my paws on a mewtwo.

[wraith89]

Zelda is nothing like mewtwo I'm not sure where you are getting that. However, lucario learns aura sphere at level 37. Mewtwo learns it at level 100. I'd prefer lucario because 1. The type of fight plus move type of fight gives it a total of 135 damage with total accuracy 2. He learns it earlier so it can be used to advantage earlier 3. Mewtwo is a lot harder to get so easier access to aura sphere with lucario. Although I would love to get my paws on a mewtwo.

Um, yes, Zelda is. You would know if you tried playing both. I'm not talking about their B moves. It's their other moves... try A in the midair, Side A, run A, etc... Zelda's physics are similar to Mewtwo's. Trust me, I know... because I play them both.

And that whole Pokemon game stuff is irrelevant to Smash, although I will agree Lucario learns it earlier and gets STAB... but don't try taking down Mewtwo with Lucario... because you're not.

[Turtlekid2]

Zelda is a great character but loses all potential to spam Din's Fire when you use her in Wi-Fi battles.

Pikachu is... meh, anyone can find a way to deal with speed. It's strength and priority that are the real problems...

No, the only character I consistently have trouble with anymore is Diddy Kong, even then only when I use Meta Knight or Kirby. Although I do know a god-like Yoshi player.

[wraith89]

LOL. I used to do that... spamming Din's Fire due to its increased radius of damage :)

And I HATE Diddy Kong. That chimp is too quick and annoying to take down.

And yay! Yoshi is so cute! I play with him often... I'm still not a master of him yet though @_@

[Fallen]

I had a brawl with a level 9 Diddy Kong the day.. my goodness is he annoying. I won the brawl, but he put up a very very good fight. Luckily I was Sonic, so speed wasn't an issue.

[Phreen]

Hm, maybe that would explain why my friend always beats me with diddy kong, anyways I really good with pit, but I SUCK with pokemon trainer, I just don't know why

[wraith89]

I.HATE.DIDDY.KONG. I always lose to him -__-

[Phreen]

I.HATE.DIDDY.KONG. I always lose to him -__-

I thought I was the only one with the trouble, hm maybe now I'll fight my friend with diddy kong, then he'll see how tough it is

[pokemonfan]

Um, yes, Zelda is. You would know if you tried playing both. I'm not talking about their B moves. It's their other moves... try A in the midair, Side A, run A, etc... Zelda's physics are similar to Mewtwo's. Trust me, I know... because I play them both.

And that whole Pokemon game stuff is irrelevant to Smash, although I will agree Lucario learns it earlier and gets STAB... but don't try taking down Mewtwo with Lucario... because you're not.

Well for one, I just realized you were correct. I was playing with him and it struck me that he does play very similarly to zelda but I prefer zelda. Because, I spam dins fire. It does not work well in wifi battles but one on one against friends is the way to go. I keep hitting them and if I get them high in the air with it they are dead because I keep doing it till they are pushed to far off the side or to high in the air and they die.

As for the pokemon trainer I have inproved with him definitely and was able to beat my friend when he was pikachu. He is like amazing with pikachu it is so annoying. So the fact that charizard and all his slowness was able to bring down the fast and agile pikachu just astounds me. However, there are ways to do that......once I survived when I was charizard, with one life when everyone else had three lives and I ended up coming in second because by the time it was one on one I was at like 150 something percent.

[Midnight]

Eh, I miss Mewtwo, but I miss Roy more.
However, I miss the Fountain of Dreams stage more than Mewtwo and Roy combined. :/ *holds back Fountain of Dreams and Great Bay fanboyism*

Also, I have a protip: Pikachu hates the stage Luigi's Mansion, as it cripples his B specials (especially Thunder Jolt and Thunder!) and his aerials. If you're tired of Pikachus defeating you over and over, choose this stage.

But believe me, Snake can be more annoying than Pikachu. Thankfully, R.O.B. has a healthy advantage over Snake, so I don't really need to worry about Snake much. :/

[pokemonfan]

Hmm....however me and my friend ALWAYS play on final destination for it is the only really fair course because it is just normal. Plus, I hate snake too. I always forget where the mines were and I end up blowing sky high into the air. I'm not to good with r.o.b so I use charizard and fly over spots I think have mines.

[Midnight]

Shielding and air-dodging help a lot with dodging Snake's mines, too.

I play on FD a lot, too, mainly because I play semi-competitively IF not competitively. I know a lot about matchups, strategies, and advanced techniques.

If playing on FD, watch out for Kirby. A decent, non-spammy Kirby will abuse stage spiking and Kirbycide, along with his FAir and DAir. Plus, he has a slight advatage over Charizard. However, Squirtle and Ivysaur make him miserable.

If there's one character who hates FD, it's Ganondorf, who is already heavily disadvantaged by Ivysaur and slightly disadvantaged by Squirtle (be wary when fighting Ganon as Squirtle, though, lest you make a fatal mistake).

Egh, I sound sooooo nerdy right now. >_>

[pokemonfan]

You do sound slightly nerdy but I believe you. One mistake against a decent ganondorf player and you are more toasted then toast. Squirtle is light and fast and ganondorf is strong and slow. If you make one mistake and the foe takes advantage you can kiss your shell goodbye. I love ivysaur because he is a mix of the squirtle and charizard in my opinion.

His up b move is good and bad. If the foe has half a mind he will do what I call "hogging the edge" unless that vine grabs the edge that grass type will fall faster then a rock to his doom. In order to make sure that happens the foe jumps off and grabs onto the edge first and guess who dies...ivysaur :(

Charizard has such stamina I can always count on him for a comeback if my squirtle and ivysaur perish without killing someone.

[Midnight]

Edgehogging is the common name given to the technique where they grab the edge. Poor Ivyaur isn't the only one who suffers from edgehogging. Look at Olimar.

P. Trainer is a fun and unique character. Squirtle is great at combos and mindgames. If you perfect shellshifting, it'll be hard to predict and even hit Squirtle.

Ivysaur has some nice tricks up his sleeve, too. His USmash and UAir are great finishers, and his UAir is QUICK.
Charizard plays like a combination of Bowser and Wolf, which is cool. Charizard's DAir is also a superb meteor smash. Also, Rock Smash works wonders in that Boss Battle run. I think Rock Smash can deal up to approx. 40-50% damage if every single hit connects. If Ness is on your team, try a PK Fire/Rock Smash team combo.

[wraith89]

Eh, I miss Mewtwo, but I miss Roy more.
However, I miss the Fountain of Dreams stage more than Mewtwo and Roy combined. :/ *holds back Fountain of Dreams and Great Bay fanboyism*

Also, I have a protip: Pikachu hates the stage Luigi's Mansion, as it cripples his B specials (especially Thunder Jolt and Thunder!) and his aerials. If you're tired of Pikachus defeating you over and over, choose this stage.

But believe me, Snake can be more annoying than Pikachu. Thankfully, R.O.B. has a healthy advantage over Snake, so I don't really need to worry about Snake much. :/

Fountain of Dreams! AHHH! I really miss that stage :(

[pokemonfan]

I hated the fountains of dream stage and I loved the stage with foxe's ship that was the best.

[wraith89]

I hated the fountains of dream stage and I loved the stage with foxe's ship that was the best.

Er... Fountain of Dreams is arguably the most beautiful stage that was ever created. Though it's a bit small, the music and the dreamy background is something never to forget :)

It reminds me of battling King Dedede at Nightmare in Dreamland... Kirby games ftw!

Yeah, Corneria is cool... glad they put that back in. But I still want my Fountain of Dreams :(

[FLOOTENKERP]

I love it when I summon Lugia, it's like, the best Pokémon, for me at least.

[pokemonfan]

I hated the platforms, and size of the stage. I was also never a big fan of the size but I could deal with it. I'd say kirby games FTW but I like pokemon games better. I do love kirby he is awesome! I prefer final destination over coneria because of the basicness of final destination however they are both good stages. I also like the pokefloats stage its constant movement made it hard to battle yet fun to jump from pokemon to pokemon.

[wraith89]

Still, you have to admit that stage was beautiful. There's only ONE STAGE for Kirby in Brawl... and I'm not liking it :-/

Fountain of Dreams FTW!

[pokemonfan]

Yeah, the kirby stages never really floated my kirby loving side above the surface of the waters of loving and nonloving something. If that makes sense of course...

[girox]

I don't know about you but when I see the Fire Legendary pokemon in SSBB, they make me run like a little girl (wait...I use Samus...oh well) you know... I think they're far more intimidating than other Pkmn also a lot more useful (Entei, Groudon, and Ho-OH)

[pokemonfan]

It looks like groudon just stomps around roaring. I cant figure out what he does exactly...

[wraith89]

They say it's called Overheat... but I don't know what he's really doing other than glowing :-/

[pokemonfan]

Its annoying. I was so happy when groudon appeared but he didn't do anything...:( I'd rather get kyogre. That pokemon has power to be feared.

[wraith89]

Um, that Groudon is dangerous. Send him out near the other guy and... watch him struggle!

[pokemonfan]

I guess that could work...I would really prefer kyogre though...

[Midnight]

Fox, Falco, Wolf and Pit can negate Kyogre's assault or even turn it against you with their reflectors, though. Too bad R.O.B.'s Arm Rotor doesn't last long enough for that, though. >.<
Spot dodging also helps a lot when Kyogre appears, but you have to mash the Control stick. :/

I prefer getting Manaphy more than any other Pok‚mon, though. Happy body-switchy fun time for the win. >:3

[pokemonfan]

I dont really like manaphy...

[Midnight]

Eh, different people have different preferences. ^^ Besides, Manaphy can really confuse everyone at times. XD

What about Assist Trophies? What's your favorite AT? Mine would have to be Isaac, not because he's broken (I actually dislike his broken-ness :/), but because I'm a Golden Sun fan.

Yup, a Golden Sun fan at a Pok‚mon forum.

EDIT: By the way, if anyone's interested in seeing my R.O.B. in action:
Youtube match starring some of my best friends... and me, of course. ;p (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMAtJsP6ms8)
Obviously, I was MN~S in that match.

[pokemonfan]

I like the people with the swords...I dont know their names.

[Midnight]

I like the people with the swords...I dont know their names.

The ones in that video- Link and Toon Link, or the Fire Emblem characters- Marth and Ike? Either way, I like all four of those characters. ^^

[pokemonfan]

No the assist trophies, I know all of those people. Here is my opinion on them....

Link: Pretty decent with his projectile attacks to keep foe back and damage without taking it and then his powerful sword attacks to finish it up.
Toon link:With his adjustments from link with a better boomerang, bow and arrow and bomb I think he has great potential. Although his super smash lacks the power of regular link's he is still just as good as link in my opinion.
Marth: Quick and deadly, slick but efficient. marth is quick and is sort of like a faster version of ike just well not as powerful. His speed and good a and b moves make him a formidable foe especially if someone knows how to use him.
Ike: My favorite of those guys, his strong powerful attacks can womp foes and send them flying to their deaths at low percentage. Although he is slow he can sustain more damage and kill more efficiently then some of the faster players. His b moves are decent two like his down b to counter powerful attacks > b to take a launch at far away opponent regular b is powerful too. Up b is good but not if you are far away from the edge and not directly under it.

[Midnight]

Ohhh, my bad. You're posisbly talking about Gray Fox or Samurai Goroh, then.

Also, if anyone's interested in some awesome-looking textures for Zelda and R.O.B. (warning, somewhat large image in spoiler):
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/Lolygon-Z/textures1.jpg

[Umbreon]

This happened to me in a wifi match the other day. I hate people who are awesome with fox. :mad:

I had won about 8 matches in a row but that guy with fox
owned me.


Fox, Falco, Wolf and Pit can negate Kyogre's assault or even turn it against you with their reflectors, though.

[Fallen]

It's always fun when you run into a worthy opponent.

Fox, Falco, Wolf and Pit are pains when you get someone who knows how to use their reflectors. But you have to admit it is pretty fun when you do it to someone else.

[pokemonfan]

Yeah, I battled my friend with olimar! I won a couple battles because he totally underestimated me and then he took me on with pit. He used his reflectors against my common attacks and well it didn't end well for the spaceman and his flowery friends.

[Fallen]

I hate Olimar ><; No offense. One of the Star Fox characters should have been taken out and Mewtwo left in.

[Mewtwo Ex]

There was a trace in the game that there was a serious consideration about Mewtwo but was left out due to Lucario.

[Fallen]

Mewtwo is better than Lucario any day. I wonder what Mewtwo's final smash would have been.

[Mewtwo Ex]

Thank you that helps the pain away. :) I am sure that would have been amazing...

[wraith89]

Mewtwo is better than Lucario any day. I wonder what Mewtwo's final smash would have been.

Agreed :D

Thinking of an idea:
- Mind Masher: everyone's controls become all haywire (i.e. A button becomes moving right, B button becomes jump, etc...) while everyone takes a few percentage of damage every second for their head hurts... :)

Seriously, they screwed up Mewtwo in Melee. His Side + B should be something like Ice Beam or something. And his Down + B would be like Link's Down + B... only Dark themed Pokeballs (like the movie) come out :p

But then again, that would be TOO broken @_@

[Mewtwo Ex]

That would have been amazing. Mewtwo throwing his Dark ball's.

[wraith89]

Gosh, I just played Mewtwo now in Melee... and I realized... HE SUCKS. Really. None of his moves has any priority and he's easily tossed around, he's lighter than he looks (Pikachu is heavier in this game o_O), his Shadow Ball is easily reflected or dodged, and his Confusion attack is only asking for something to Down + A on him to knock him across. Why did they do this to him? :mad:

[Mewtwo Ex]

That sounds awful. Nintendo made a HUGE mistake miking it weak like you said. I dont have that game but i trust you.

[wraith89]

That sounds awful. Nintendo made a HUGE mistake miking it weak like you said. I dont have that game but i trust you.

You... have... NO... idea. He was DESIGNED so that Jigglypuff, Pikachu and PICHU can own him easily. This Mewtwo has been tampered... it's as if he has FIVE SLOW STARTS activated on him and is NOTHING like how he's supposed to be. Not only that, but official "tier list" put him on the bottom of the list... even below PICHU, who was meant to be the joke character (because he hurts himself everytime he uses a special move).

[Mewtwo Ex]

...Awful i have no words. My heart started to hurt.
How could Nintendo do this to us?!

[wraith89]

...Awful i have no words. My heart started to hurt.
How could Nintendo do this to us?!

And then they take him out and he leaves on a bad note. That is cruelty.

[Mewtwo Ex]

:(:(:( But at least it was considered. There were traced in tha game of it's voice and things like that.
Nice 375 post - Metang
Time and posts apparently fly when you are having fun.

[FLOOTENKERP]

You can't say it sucks. You do know that these characters are made to fit the way a person plays. If a person knows how to use the Mewtwo, they will beat you easily.

[wraith89]

You can't say it sucks. You o know that these characters are made to fit the way a person plays. If a person knows how to use the Mewtwo, they will beat you easily.

It's the learnability curve. Trust me, it's like saying an expert with Magikarp vs a n00b with Arceus. :(

[FLOOTENKERP]

The difference here is that every playable character in Smash Bros. is capable of having a good strategy.

[wraith89]

The difference here is that every playable character in Smash Bros. is capable of having a good strategy.

Not Mewtwo. I've seen experts with Mewtwo (like Taj), but even in tournaments, these people pick Fox/Falco/Marth/Shiek for a good reason. It's boring to see those 4 characters everywhere, but unfortunately, as much as I play Mewtwo (he's my main), I know he sucks because stupid monkeys from Nintendo thought it'd be great to make everyone's favorite yellow rat so strong and make the awesome uber Mewtwo so... pathetic? Seriously, I really want to know what these people were smoking.

Didn't you realize Mewtwo's Down Smash is the ONLY Down Smash that only affects one direction? Or how Confusion is the only DEFLECTOR in the game (not reflector)? And how his Shadow Ball just misses and is easily reflected too much? It's sickening... it's a conspiracy I tell you!

But for you Mewtwo fans...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd1FFTsecW4

This is awesome :p

[FLOOTENKERP]

As you can see in the video, there are people out there that can master Mewtwo's abilities.

[wraith89]

Some... but it's not so common. Fox masters and all are VERY common though.
Mewtwo is the Magikarp of this game, sadly. I really wish it wasn't the case. And the guy who did this (Taj) plays Fox in the tournaments. Wonder why?

It's like playing UU Pokes against a bunch of OUs in Smogon's Shoddy. You WILL die (believe me, I did that so many times it's not even funny... they play for the sake of competition/ladder rankings... I play for the other side... FUN :p) >.<

[FLOOTENKERP]

But he is still appealing. He's a good character for people who can master him. Personally, I use Mario, and I suck in all Smash Bros. games.

[wraith89]

LOL. I use Luigi sometimes but people say Mario is better. I like Luigi better :-/

My main is Mewtwo in Melee and Zelda in Brawl (because Zelda is like Mewtwo... trust me I KNOW). But I don't own Brawl... I only played it with my roommate a couple of times.

[FLOOTENKERP]

I don't own it either. It's fun, just not as fun as melee.

[Varna]

You've never met my friend. His Mewtwo competes right on par with my Marth game. We've even won a 2v2 tournament against some pretty sick competition. Using wavebirds no less. They instantly dismissed us as no threat when he picked Mewtwo and we had cordless controllers. Haha, oh the looks on their faces...

The trick to Mewtwo is not offense, I'll tell you that much.

[FLOOTENKERP]

Nice, so you and your friend are pros?

[wraith89]

You've never met my friend. His Mewtwo competes right on par with my Marth game. We've even won a 2v2 tournament against some pretty sick competition. Using wavebirds no less. They instantly dismissed us as no threat when he picked Mewtwo and we had cordless controllers. Haha, oh the looks on their faces...

The trick to Mewtwo is not offense, I'll tell you that much.

That I know. Mewtwo plays with mind games. I would LOVE to see more good Mewtwo players, but I really hate how they designed him. Oh why... oh why did the ultimate Pokemon turn out that way? :(

[FLOOTENKERP]

Well Mewtwo needs a pro player to be able to use him... He won't obey weaklings.
Back on topic, what do you guys think of Pikachu?

[wraith89]

. . .
Even if he doesn't listen to weaklings, what makes you think he WANTS to lose to OTHER weaklings (a certain yellow rat comes into mind)?

And I don't like Uberchu. He's too quick and he's a lot heavier than he looks :-/

[FLOOTENKERP]

What about Jigglypuff?

[wraith89]

Ugh. Wall of pain? How did that weak thing become uber in the game all of a sudden? Ever seen her Down + B? Yeah, it's hard to connect with, but apparently, REST is an OHKO move :confused:

[FLOOTENKERP]

Jigglypuff is awesome. It's starting to become one of my favorite Pokémon because of its gameplay. So awesome.

[wraith89]

I guess I'll act flootenkerp on you:

I hate Jigglypuff :p

[Varna]

Nice, so you and your friend are pros?

Not really. Can't be considered pro at melee by anyone unless you abuse all the glitches. We fight fair.

[wraith89]

Not really. Can't be considered pro at melee by anyone unless you abuse all the glitches. We fight fair.

Even the Final Destination glitch? >.<
I hate falling through when I'm not supposed to!

[FLOOTENKERP]

That's cool. My friend who is a pro is actually teaching me how to use Mario perfectly. To bad they ruined his Down + B in Brawl. What was wrong with the spin attack?

[wraith89]

That's cool. My friend who is a pro is actually teaching me how to use Mario perfectly. To bad they ruined his Down + B in Brawl. What was wrong with the spin attack?

He still has his spin attack in Brawl. But it's an A move (I forgot the button combo).

By that logic, they should have given Luigi the Poltergust for Down + B... but...

[FLOOTENKERP]

But the A attack is weaker. The down and B kicked ass.

[Midnight]

There was a trace in the game that there was a serious consideration about Mewtwo but was left out due to Lucario.

Yeah. Small amounts of data have shown that Mewtwo was cut out of Brawl along with six others. The others were:

-Dr. Mario
-Roy
-Pichu
-Dixie Kong
-PraToMai (Plusle and Minun?)
-Toon Zelda / Tetra (Although some have speculated that there may be a Toon Shiek instead)

I like Ike, but Roy's our boy. Eh, I say there shouldn't be any replacements, although I would like to see Mewtwo, Roy and Toon Zelda. Dr. Mario could have been a Mario costume instead of the yellow Wario costume, too. :/

However, as I said before, I want my Fountain of Dreams back the most. T~T

[wraith89]

Yeah. Small amounts of data have shown that Mewtwo was cut out of Brawl along with six others. The others were:

-Dr. Mario
-Roy
-Pichu
-Dixie Kong
-PraToMai (Plusle and Minun?)
-Toon Zelda / Tetra (Although some have speculated that there may be a Toon Shiek instead)

I like Ike, but Roy's our boy. Eh, I say there shouldn't be any replacements, although I would like to see Mewtwo, Roy and Toon Zelda. Dr. Mario could have been a Mario costume instead of the yellow Wario costume, too. :/

However, as I said before, I want my Fountain of Dreams back the most. T~T

Me too. I also want Roy and Mewtwo. Mewtwo's classic mode sprite was even implemented in there.

[FLOOTENKERP]

Roy was awesome, but Ike made it all worth the while. Ike beats Roy any day.

[Varna]

Personally, I think it was a stupid idea to cut characters out at all. All it does is piss people off.

[pokemonfan]

Yeah! Whats wrong with more characters? I mean more characters= more fun especially beating people with pichu that was the best because pichu hurts himeslf!

[wraith89]

Here's what happened:
- Pichu evolved! (hence the new Pikachu palette with the sunglasses)
- Dr. Mario quit his job because people couldn't trust a doctor who touched toilets as his other occupation.
- Young Link got a graphic change


Now what about Roy and Mewtwo? What happened to them? :(

[Umbreon]

Thats a good explanation wraith89.

I still like Roy and Mewtwo better than their replacements though.
Mewtwo's final smash would've been awesome.

[Midnight]

Continuing from wraith89's post...

- Roy was sad that his FE games received negative reception, so he quit and let Ike take his place.
- Mewtwo wanted a second chance, but Sakurai said, "No," and replaced him with Lucario. However, Sakurai also thought it'd be good to heavily buff Mr. Game & Watch to the point where he's broken instead of axing him. :/


Now that leaves Dixie Kong, Plusle/Minun, and Toon Zelda/Tetra (or Toon Shiek).

[wraith89]

Continuing from wraith89's post...

- Roy was sad that his FE games received negative reception, so he quit and let Ike take his place.
- Mewtwo wanted a second chance, but Sakurai said, "No," and replaced him with Lucario. However, Sakurai also thought it'd be good to heavily buff Mr. Game & Watch to the point where he's broken instead of axing him. :/


Now that leaves Dixie Kong, Plusle/Minun, and Toon Zelda/Tetra (or Toon Shiek).

:-/

Nah, they need better endings.

Roy wouldn't just quit. Roy's awesome that way. Maybe he got too warped up in his life with Lilina/Guinevere/Sue/Thany/Sophia/Cecilia (6 women!!) XD

Mewtwo... his life is more complex. He left Smash Bros just to join this boards (http://projectpokemon.org/forums/member.php?u=390) XD

Eh... I'll find a better explanation later for Mewtwo... but I think Roy's been pimping :D

[Turtlekid2]

I'm not that miffed about any losses; Dr. Mario was Mario with white clothing. Pichu was Pikachu, with the distinction of hurting himself. Mewtwo... the loss of Mewtwo really bites, I won't sugar-coat it, but I'm not mad about it, per se. I've never played any Fire Emblem games, so Roy meant nothing to me (other than the fact he KILLED PEOPLE WITH FIRE). I've never played Ocarina of Time either (shame, I know), so Young Link was much the same as Roy.

In the end, I'm just happy that Meta Knight finally made it in.

[Pokehacker]

I like to play with only the pokeballs on and on high. Then the whole game is basically getting the pokeballs and throwing it. But it is fun because of the pokemon that come out. I also like to be the pokemon trainer when I do this that means a lot of pokemon.

What do you like to do with pokemon in super smash bros.?

I miss Melee's Mewtwo:frown: His throws ROCKED!


He still has his spin attack in Brawl. But it's an A move (I forgot the button combo).

Its Down+A in the Air

[Gin]

Personally, I play as Zelda, Pikachu, Mewtwo (in melee), and Marth.
I dunno, but I never liked Roy in his games. He kinda sucked until you got the Fire Emblem sword thingy.

[wraith89]

lol. The Sealed Sword? Once Roy got that he became uber... but it was WAY too late in the game... not to mention that's when he PROMOTES :/

Zelda is my replacement in Brawl for Mewtwo... now why they messed with Mewtwo in Melee, I have no idea.

[Gin]

He has I think, 3 more chapters in the game. X_X

[wraith89]

Or 1, depending on the outcomes... but still, Roy is powerful at that stage.

[Turtlekid2]

I'm getting good with Pokemon Trainer. Squirtle's aerials rock.

[Midnight]

Turtlekid, did you know that Squirtle's Down Throw has excellent KO potential at higher percents? But yeah, his aerials shine the most. Don't forget about Shellshifting and USmash, either.

I've been finding myself using Ike more often lately. Too bad Ike struggles in the metagame... :/
But really, I find Ike fun to use. I tend to be very aerial with him, and I rarely use Smashes (barring DSmash, since it can be a fast hit). Down Throw -> Aether combo is fun. :3

Also, doesn't Falco look a bit like Empoleon in the picture in the spoiler?
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/Lolygon-Z/EmpoleFalco2.jpg

[Turtlekid2]

Ah, trust me, if I'm grabbing and throwing with Squirtle, I only use his D-Throw. And I'm still practicing the timing for "hydroplaning," but it's also quite useful.

Ike is really fun to use in Item-heavy Free-for-alls, or if your opponent is predictable. If you can predict your opponent as Ike, you've already half-won.

And good gracious, that's an interesting texture for our feathered friend.

[Midnight]

Yeah, Ike is a beast in FFA's, especially when items are thrown into the mix. Fastfalling his UAir, NAir, and DAir are extremely useful on their own, too.

And thanks. ^^ (Yes, I made that texture, although it's still unfinished. I'm a texture hacker for a machinimating team, so yeah- when I'm not actually Brawling, I'm playing around with / making new textures. :P)

[Akaria]

I play mostly as Ike, then usually followed by Pokemon Trainer (Charizard released first.), then R.O.B.

I use Jigglypuff during coin matches, I don't aim to win, I just do it to annoy everyone.

*rollout*
*loses half of coins*
"GODDAMNIT"
"teehee."

[SilentFox]

(Im not joking I'm serious alert)
I have extensively used pichu in melee
and In brawl the trainer is beast
Triple finish <3 super effective is super

[COBHC]

i use a lot squirtle or lucario or wolf these are my best

[kevin19980609]

My favourite is Lucario because I can beat opponents easily in Sudden Death. When I'm playing with my brother, we use a Snake and Kirby combo.

[tooklin999]

I like to use Lucario because of his counter attack. every time i play my friend he cant land a solid hit on me and he goes off in a mood like a sore looser. lol

[Arandomproduction1]

Turtlekid, did you know that Squirtle's Down Throw has excellent KO potential at higher percents? But yeah, his aerials shine the most. Don't forget about Shellshifting and USmash, either.

I've been finding myself using Ike more often lately. Too bad Ike struggles in the metagame... :/
But really, I find Ike fun to use. I tend to be very aerial with him, and I rarely use Smashes (barring DSmash, since it can be a fast hit). Down Throw -> Aether combo is fun. :3

Also, doesn't Falco look a bit like Empoleon in the picture in the spoiler?
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/Lolygon-Z/EmpoleFalco2.jpg


Lol Brawl texture hacks. I bricked my Wii so I can't play brawl anymore, lol.
But anyways, I just like to get the col Pokemon like Jirachi that gives you trophys (even though I already have them all, and stickers.)

[SwitzaHouse]

PKMN trainer is my favorite new addition. i was hoping for him since i heard melee was coming out back in the day. the only thing that sucks about him is that you have to switch PKMN every 30 seconds or they start to get weak. but that doesnt stop me from using him. Ice climbers, Falco and PKMN Trainer are my three.