PokeSav vs PokeGen

[kerfun]

So i've been looking around a lot of threads, and i'm seeing that people reccomend PokeGen over PokeSav. The thing is, i'm having trouble saving my created pokemon onto the save file. And everytime i try to work on a new pokemon, my old pokemon edits are gone D:
Would it be okay if i just used pokegen for the PID/IV generator. I think that it's much better than PokeSav's PID/IV generator.
Or is there a different way to save on pokeGen?

[Kaphotics]

you are doing it wrong, PokeGen doesn't even have any problems. You have to SET the data you view, akin to pressing OK in pokesav.

[Tbird]

To set a pokemon right click on an empty Box/Party slot (or pre-existing pokemon) and select the SET option.

[kerfun]

Thanks so much Tbird, now I can see why everyone reccomends PokeGen over PokeSav :D

[Xtrude]

Don't use Pokegen, Pokesav is much more user friendly

[Linklegend]

Don't use Pokegen, Pokesav is much more user friendly

Ugh, looks like you haven't tried the B/W one,,,,two words, IT SUCKS

Pokegen has a bright future ahead.

[kerfun]

I agree, in my opinion, PokeGen is much more user friendlu
They have nice sprites, and it's more colorful
Though PokeGen can't do some of the things PokeSav can do, it suits my needs better.

[DARKCHAOS]

I personally like pokesav better

[Pingouin7]

PokeGen > Pokesav

[8o8Dark]

I agree, in my opinion, PokeGen is much more user friendlu
They have nice sprites, and it's more colorful
Though PokeGen can't do some of the things PokeSav can do, it suits my needs better.

How can PokeGen not do some things that PokeSav can? If so, why not just save the file on PokeGen when done, then finish up on PokeSav?

[SmellTheBurningEmber]

I must say, PokeGen's UI is very confusing for a first time user.

Pokesav is, indeed, the easier program to use; however, Pokesav is by no means the most convenient.

PokeGen may be superior in what it does, but, honestly, it's UI is horrible. ~STBE

[Codr]

Ignoring the fact that this is randomly posted in a thread that's somewhat old...


I must say, PokeGen's UI is very confusing for a first time user.

PokeGen may be superior in what it does, but, honestly, it's UI is horrible.
Details would be nice.

[Tracy1969able]

I have tried Pokesav, but it is too confusing for me. I am able to use Pokegen.
I might like the aspects of getting some pokemon as a gift ftom the green man at the pokemart or at the super store, but I am unable to really do it.
I pretty much can only do pokegen, and sidestep the green guy.
If I need the green guy to show up, I have to make a request from someone who can do pokesav.

[SmellTheBurningEmber]

@ Codr
Maybe "horrible" was a bit too harsh. It actually took me a few days to realize how to "set" Pokémon. I found this to be odd. It has also screwed me over a few times (edited a *pkm, but since it was not "set", I end up overwriting the *.pkm with the "set" one). Aside from that, PokeGen is also cramped. A maximize feature would be wonderful... It's too bad it doesn't have one. The tabs are alright, I suppose. It just makes navigation a bit more tedious.

PPSE by far had the best UI. Looked like a Box and everything. Something similar to that or like an actual stat page in-game would be great. ~STBE

[Codr]

It actually took me a few days to realize how to "set" Pokémon. I found this to be odd.
I agree that this isn't exactly intuitive, but I'm not prepared to completely redesign the program again. At least not yet.



PokeGen is also cramped.This is personal preference. Yours is in the minority from what I've seen. Also, what exactly is negative about a compact design? I don't understand. It's like you get easily confused or something and can't handle reading text that has other UI elements even remotely close to it.



A maximize feature would be wonderful... It's too bad it doesn't have one.It will if the language UI changes are ever implemented, but it'll look idiotic, as any large dialog with huge controls does.



The tabs are alright, I suppose. It just makes navigation a bit more tedious.Compared to 500 dialogs that're all so huge that you can't even have them side by side? Interesting.



PPSE by far had the best UI. Looked like a Box and everything.You have to be kidding me. You're talking about a program that presents you with some completely awkward dialog with obviously no design thought put into it whatsoever. It also has tabs (Don't forget, tabs make navigation DIFFICULT!) for the Pokedex, which aren't even using the native Windows UI design. The box display is absolutely no different than PokeGen's, aside from the fact that it's using a background image...

[SmellTheBurningEmber]

I honestly never used the 'Dex section in PPSE. I used it for Pokémon editing. The edit window in PPSE was great. It looked somewhat similar to a stat page for in-game. The copy of PPSE on the site doesn't have the edit feature. Greencat gave me (and a couple other people, IIRC) a un-released beta that has it. I'll provide a screenshot when I get to my laptop. ~STBE

EDIT:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/Link_PWNS_Cloud/mypointis.png

[Codr]

The edit window in PPSE was great. It looked somewhat similar to a stat page for in-game.
Guess what I see? Tabs. Wasted space. Excessively large controls. Extra detail that PokeGen simply doesn't have added. However, I do have to agree that it has a certain appeal to it. At the same time, the way PokeGen is packed with information in such a small space is maybe more appealing. It's certainly more convenient to more people from what I've seen, including myself.

Sure, I could add even more images and detail on items, attacks, Pokemon, etc, but it just bloats the file size (not that that's particularly important, though) and increases the size of the dialog needlessly. Don't forget that people use it on laptops and small monitors. These have lower resolutions, resulting in less pixel space for the window to fit in.

Edit: Btw, even though I mostly disagree with you on this, having discussions like this does help to fuel my interest in continuing working on it, which is appreciated.

[SmellTheBurningEmber]

lol No problem. To put it simply, PPSE is more appealing visually to me. I'm not trying to slander your program; PokeGen is fantastic. I just sort of laugh at compat design. I mean, shouldn't we try and encourage people with a 800 by 600 screen to upgrade? Seriously. My computer is almost 6 or 7 years old and it has a 1400 by 1050 display. ~STBE

[Codr]

I just sort of laugh at compat design. I mean, shouldn't we try and encourage people with a 800 by 600 screen to upgrade?
This isn't about trying to force people to upgrade their computers. My reasoning was never even based AT ALL on the thought of people with low resolutions, in fact. It just happens to be a valid point for using small dialogs. Making them small is simply how I've always done it and I see no reason to change that.

[SmellTheBurningEmber]

Understandable, I suppose. From the little bit of programming I've done, I usually keep it simple; however, I usually have a few pixels between textboxs so they're a bit more distinguishable. ~STBE

[Codr]

I usually have a few pixels between textboxs so they're a bit more distinguishable
I'm not sure how the differing text and x/y positions aren't enough to distinguish one thing from another.

Btw, there's a signature feature.

[SmellTheBurningEmber]

I feel as if I was vague about what I meant. When I say PPSE UI > PG UI, don't take it to astronomical proportions. What's a good way to put it...? On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the greatest, PPSE is a 9.5 while PokeGen is about a 8.7. As for Pokesav... Eh. I've used it for at least 3 years now. I'm way too used to it's UI to give it a proper score.

On a side note, I regret saying PokeGen's UI is "horrible". I just have to warm up to it a little bit longer, that's all. ~STBE

[Codr]

don't take it to astronomical proportions
It's not that I'm necessarily trying to "defend" it (although I am to a degree), it's more that I want to understand why some people think that huge dialogs with lots of wasted space are noteworthily better.

[SmellTheBurningEmber]

To be completely honest, no idea. It just happens to be more appealing to some. ~STBE

[darklink502]

I have a question about pokegen; is it possible to make the game think that a pokemon you made you caught yourself? I ask because I am in the second town, have no badges, and would like to make all forms of all 649 pokemon to play around with. I know, big project, but it was extremely fun to do it with platinum. I ask because I don't want a level 100 magikarp not obeying me. It would look pretty bad. :)

[evandixon]

I have a question about pokegen; is it possible to make the game think that a pokemon you made you caught yourself? I ask because I am in the second town, have no badges, and would like to make all forms of all 649 pokemon to play around with. I know, big project, but it was extremely fun to do it with platinum. I ask because I don't want a level 100 magikarp not obeying me. It would look pretty bad. :)

You would have to ensure that the Pokemon's original trainer name, id, and secret id all match your own.

[Soldjermon]

STBE and Codr, both of you should all realize; as well as everyone else here, that everyone has different opinions and tastes for everything.
it's just that we all cannot please everyone in the whole world. some people like Pokésav, some people like Pokégen... hell, some people like both equally and use both. it is all of what both programs can do and what features that they provide.

just look of what both Pokégen and Pokésav can do on their own and compare.

Pokésav

Pro - can edit events
Pro - can do almost everything within a save file
Con - uses big windows


Pokégen

Pro - uses small windows and also uses tabs
Pro - has better Pokédex editing features
Con - mainly does Pokémon editing

those are the ones I can think of for the time being.


so it really comes down to this decision for everyone...
which would be best to suit your needs, or would you use both equally?
think about it.

- Soldjermon

[Clairabel]

I used Pokesav for some time, but I struggled to understand it fully (forgive me, I am an old fart) and I have downloaded Pokegen but so far all I've done is open it, freak out at how different it looks to what I (barely) know from Pokesav, then closed it again.

[PikachusCat]

ive used both, pokesav does have a more user friendly interface, but pokegen does a smarter job of filling in tedious info, to make pokemon look legit. this said, didnt pokesav have an option to change other things besides just your pokemon? which pokegen doesnt seem to have (yet?)

edit: by user friendly, i mean easier for someone whos never used it to pick it up and start messing around

[codem8kr]

I think that, like Soldjermon says, everyone has their own opinions of both programs. I'm one of the ones who use both programs, but for different reasons.
I use PokeSav to add the Events into my game, while I use PokeGen to make pokemon to battle online with.
Sure, PokeSav has different options to edit more than just pokemon, like the Events and items etc, but while making Pokemon with PokeSav, it doesn't fully help a user when making one like PokeGen does. PokeGen is by far the better Pokemon making tool, Codr has done a spectacular job in making it, plus it is updated regularly and he takes in user opinions. Not slanting COM's work with PokeSav because that tool has helped hundred of people, but in my opinion, in terms of making Pokemon only, PokeGen wins hands down.
It has a very friendly UI and is pretty basic to understand how to use it, for example, moving the arrow over something like the nature brings up every nature and which stats are helped and hindered. Now if PokeSav was to have more features like this, then perhaps my opinion would be altered, but for now, I'm sticking with Codr's program.

[PikachusCat]

well i just wish there was still an option to download pokesav, both have nice features, its a shame projectpokemon decided we no longer should have pokesav =[ its been removed from their homepage http://projectpokemon.org/pokesav/

[Kaphotics]

The reasons we no longer support it:

Programmed by a japanese person, while gen is from Codr. Updates fix problems.
Pokesav does not handle 5th gen pkms correctly (220).
Nobody needs item/name editing every time they view their file
Not translated, so no translating errors
Pokegen can pokeshift properly

The only thing gen can't do that most users need is the event editor. Pokegen = pokemon generator. I use pokestock for my wondercards. Pokestock is superior to sav anyways with its entralink and skin editor.

[PikachusCat]

ill check out pokestock, thanks for the suggestion

[zerothephoenix]

I use PokeGen to do most of the editing, I switch to PokeSav to finish if need be, which is only for changing the Pokemon's OT IDs and adding wonder cards. Mystery Gift Editor's not working for me, which won't start all the time.

I'm using PokeGen mainly to get used to it, I prefer PokeSav's UI but PokeGen has better features.

Also, can I get a link for Pokestock?

[evandixon]

Also, can I get a link for Pokestock?
http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?13832-PokeStock-BW

In the future, please use either the forum's search engine, Bing, Google, or some other search engine before asking.

[faospark]

People complain about the ui of Pokegen, But Honestly I like in i a sense that it is compact and to be honest really easy to use. consider that i indeed i once used pokesav before and ended up with really bad pokemon even some transforming to bad eggs. transitioning from pokesav to pokegen is a breeze. Pokegen can handle pokemon data very well. i guess the reason why poeple love pokesav is because it was well designed for users who loves to have 999 items including event items and has large voice to complain and loves to think that 999 stats for all fields are possible (just my opinion). Pokegen vs Pokesav in terms of handling pokemon data is miss match . Pokegen is far more superior than pokesav . Pokesav plus Pokestock= complete tool for generation v games